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Xeogaming Forums - General Chat - Rick Perry's Ad Attacks Gays in the Military (plus, Herman Cain's Pokemon concession speech)
  
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Katana
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Originally posted by Astrophel
I'm not so sure it's a bad idea. It just needs to be done more universally.


Your second sentence there being key. The power of perception is a...well, powerful thing, whether one likes it or not. This is going to sound wrong, but there's a big difference between having interaction like that with your fellow "Washington people", I'll refer to them as, than having a beer trying to be "Yo. Cool it man." and...it just...to me, looked weak.

Kennedy's time? Dude, he'd go toe to toe during the day with his opponents, and then have a beer and play cards with them at the end of the day, and then they'd start all over again the next day.

But since it's not a universal thing anymore, I think the attempt was made in the wrong circumstance, and it just looked weak to me. I voted for the guy, and I intend to vote for him again. That's why I'm so hard on him, I guess.

But you're right. Not many people see things as disagreeances rather than enemies. And if there is a change, it's not going to happen overnight. And I'm okay with that, as long as I know I'm making an effort that'll hopefully be in that direction, and I hope others feel the same.
Astrophel
Posts: 2488/2724
Originally posted by Katana
and stops trying to be everyone's friend, who sits to have a beer with you over a disagreement. That shit disgraces the office, and while at the time may be "cool" it diminishes the respectability of the office to the opponents.

It's actually kind of funny, because that's exactly how a lot of shit in Congress used to be worked out. Beer included, sometimes. Sadly, current leaders refuse to even consider it, and it shows in the rampant hostility on both sides.

I'm not so sure it's a bad idea. It just needs to be done more universally.

Republicans and Democrats should see each other exaclty as your boyfriend's dad does - as people they disagree with, not as The Enemy. But how many do?
Katana
Posts: 3377/3648
Besides, the last Pennsylvanian President didn't work out so well...





Also, I'm willing to bet money that Rick Santorum thinks he's got a good chance at being asked to fill the vice-presidency seat/candidacy.

Mild side note, but just a "dreamy" notion of what I wish politics COULD be...

My boyfriend and his family are hardcore Republicans and I bump heads with his mom a lot about it. My boyfriend just shuts down and refuses to talk about what's going on. But his dad is super cool. He's one of the few Republicans I have ever met who is able to concretely support his views and even though I don't exactly agree. He doesn't just say what he think SHOULD be, he offers potential plans to achieve those goals, and lives his own life accordingly. He also commands this sort of respect and dishes that same respect back even if he doesn't agree with you.

That's the way we all can only hope it'd be. I'm quite a fan of the Lincoln quote "You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”. I'm proud to know someone who will hear me out even though he thinks right from the get-go that I'm probably wrong, admits to me when I surprise him and make him see things differently, or still disagrees but does so without being a complete and utter jackoff about it.

Partisan is good. If Obama wins again, I hope he REALLY learned his lesson and stops trying to be everyone's friend, who sits to have a beer with you over a disagreement. That shit disgraces the office, and while at the time may be "cool" it diminishes the respectability of the office to the opponents.
Rogue
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Originally posted by Astrophel
I wish he would've stuck around longer. Getting the Republicans tearing each other apart for a longer time has obvious benefits.

I know the porn agencies that were against Santorum were hoping he'd get the GOP ticket because they're all certain Obama would cream him at the polls.
Astrophel
Posts: 2487/2724
I wish he would've stuck around longer. Getting the Republicans tearing each other apart for a longer time has obvious benefits.
Elara
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Originally posted by Rogue
Bumped because Santorum dropped out today.


Thank the gods!!!!
Rogue
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Bumped because Santorum dropped out today.
Rogue
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Originally posted by Sorcha Rohan
lol Looks like Romney is going for it.

Yeah, it's a horse race between him and Santorum, who stole Iowa from Romney by ONE TENTH of a percent. Ron Paul is not far behind, and Newt Gingrich is bringing up the rear.

True Flight
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lol Looks like Romney is going for it.
Rogue
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And Perry is out o' there!
Rogue
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Funny or Die did their own Bad Lip Reading video for the ad:
True Flight
Posts: 4695/5243
That was sarcasm

but this rebuttal is kinda cool though.

Katana
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Originally posted by Katana
I THINK I get what point he was trying to make. But the WAY he's presented it? What kind of...

**facepalm.**


I know I didn't go on a long rant like I usually do. Let's face it. I go off like an old man with random bouts of dementia.

But yeah, I think that's the inherent point about this whole advertisement (and the fact that the Brokeback Mountain reference is hilarious.) What he is saying can at least be sympathized with...understood, even if not agreed upon. BUT, the way it was said...

Ever since I saw the ad, it has not been tugging at my inner politician, but rather my knowledge and experience of the arts. This ad has garnered much confusion on my part. I have watched the ad over and over...and something about the WAY he paused after mention gays serving in the military, my mind has been racing. Did he pause like that on purpose? Did he WANT to incite the emotions this ad has already unleashed? Or was it all an accident? Did they have one too many attempts at this ad, and he's just a shitty actor; doesn't know how to add the proper emphasis to convey the right emotion. Because if that is the case, then was his real intention just to be like "Look, part A was considered shocking...and we fought for it and allowed it. Why can't we do the same with part B?"

And on the other angle...he came off as too pompous. Like he was disgusted with the fact that part A was allowed, but part B is not.

I could go on, but just...watch the ad again guys. Not even the whole thing. Just the part in the beginning. There is just something...unnatural about the whole thing. It's really difficult to tell what exactly he meant, or what happened. Some people are flat out idiots, and others are just...terrible, and I mean TERRIBLE at conducting themselves publicly. And sure, one can ask how someone like that can hold public office...but one can also combat that with "How can someone truly that dumb hold public office?" And I guess the answer is, some people are just dumb....and others are crippled by being in public. **shrugs**

(I have a lot of other points but I'd rather leave them for the debate shrine.)

Edit: Damn ninja posts. Hahaha.
天国JOE
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Can't tell if that's a sarcastic all-caps or if you're really freaking out because I don't get it it had nothing to do with what he said.
True Flight
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Originally posted by Astrophel
Originally posted by Sorcha Rohan

I will gig him on his stupid reason for not wearing an American flag on his lapel though. It's just not presidential and saying he wears it in his hear. Bull fucking shit you just don't want to wear another fucking pin on your lapel because you think it's tacky. (Joking)!

If no candidates had worn them, no one would notice. If all but one wear them, people notice. It's a cheap attempt at faux-patriotism and trying to trap your opponents, nothing more.


ASTROPHEL HOW DARE YOU!!! I WEAR A FLAG BECAUSE IT'S PART OF MY UNIFORM!
Elara
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Originally posted by Sorcha Rohan
And Elara don't get me started on Ramadan and religious tolerance.


I remember your rant, and I think that they gave you good reason to complain. You know how you feel about that? That is how most non-Christians feel about Christmas to some degree.
Cteno
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Originally posted by Sorcha Rohan
And Elara don't get me started on Ramadan and religious tolerance.

We're talking 'bout M'UUUUURCA, here!
Astrophel
Posts: 2419/2724
Originally posted by Sorcha Rohan

I will gig him on his stupid reason for not wearing an American flag on his lapel though. It's just not presidential and saying he wears it in his hear. Bull fucking shit you just don't want to wear another fucking pin on your lapel because you think it's tacky. (Joking)!

If no candidates had worn them, no one would notice. If all but one wear them, people notice. It's a cheap attempt at faux-patriotism and trying to trap your opponents, nothing more.
True Flight
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Originally posted by Rogue
Originally posted by Sorcha Rohan
Originally posted by Rogue
So Rick Perry, one of the frontrunners for the GOP ticket, put out an ad yesterday declaring that he'll put an end to "Obama's War on Religion."


Rogue... I think you got it a bit twisted about his attack on gays because RP is a retard.

I'm confused. What do I have twisted? I was only quoting him, and I do NOT in any way believe Obama is waging war on religion. I do not in any way respect Rick Perry, but I do respect his right to believe whatever he wants.

My one comment in any way supporting him was saying his ad was at least honest, as in he wasn't sugar-coating his feelings to gain support from both sides. It's a ballsy position to take, frankly.

In other news, Perry said there were EIGHT Supreme Court judges.

EDIT: Elara ninja posted me. Elara, I agree.


True... True... But I really don't think it really was an attack on gays... To be quite honest... He was pointing out the fact that there's something not right about how people can be open about their sexuality but Christian fanatics aren't treated the same way.

And Elara don't get me started on Ramadan and religious tolerance.

Edit 2: Seriously though Rogue. I think RP is just saying that he wants the United States to be 100% tolerant in his own little cute retard way. Believe it or not Obama has done somethings that really REALLY upset the balance of tolerance on being an American too.

I won't gig Obama on running in side when he heard the flag song about to go off instead of saluting the flag for 30 seconds. We all have done that before, but there are people who fought and now can't stand on their own two feet to salute the flag.

I will gig him on his stupid reason for not wearing an American flag on his lapel though. It's just not presidential and saying he wears it in his hear. Bull fucking shit you just don't want to wear another fucking pin on your lapel because you think it's tacky. (Joking)

OMG THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH OBAMA AND HE HASN'T DONE ANYTHING BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS FULL OF FUCKING RETARDS!!!!

Wait...

He doesn't salute the flag.

Awwwwwe...

But he made it so my gi bill can be passed on to my husband if I wanted to! and he made Tricare Reserve Select AWESOME!
Rogue
Posts: 8276/11723
Originally posted by Sorcha Rohan
Originally posted by Rogue
So Rick Perry, one of the frontrunners for the GOP ticket, put out an ad yesterday declaring that he'll put an end to "Obama's War on Religion."


Rogue... I think you got it a bit twisted about his attack on gays because RP is a retard.

I'm confused. What do I have twisted? I was only quoting him, and I do NOT in any way believe Obama is waging war on religion. I do not in any way respect Rick Perry, but I do respect his right to believe whatever he wants.

My one comment in any way supporting him was saying his ad was at least honest, as in he wasn't sugar-coating his feelings to gain support from both sides. It's a ballsy position to take, frankly.

In other news, Perry said there were EIGHT Supreme Court judges.

EDIT: Elara ninja posted me. Elara, I agree.
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