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| Elara Posts: 1478/9734 |
That is just the problem, no one can seem to agree one what to do about it. Politicians are just using these attacks to try and get more power for their own party. They don't care about doing anything about it, they only care about themselves.
People died because humans are idiots and can't seem to bring themselves to see anyone else's point of view but their own! Idiot #1: I don't like these people because they are different than me, so I'm going to blow them up. Idiot #2: That guy just blew us up... we don't like him now, so we are going to go blow up him and his people. Idiot #3: You shouldn't do that, you need to understand why they are doing it. Idiot #2: Shut up, you're just a fucking coward! *blows up Idiot #1* Idiot #1: Fuckers. See, you attacked us... we will kill you all! *blows up Idiots #2 and #3* Idiot #2: How dare they attack us! Idiot #3: You're just going to make it worse if you continue. Idiot #2: *fights with #3 then bombs #1* Voice of reason: This is just the start of a vicious cycle, there are other ways if you use your brains. Idiots #1,2 and 3: *too busy fighting and blowing each other up to notice* |
| BBQMissile Posts: 420/1198 |
"One death is a tragedy. A hundred deaths is a statistic."
Suprisingly, I find myself agreeing with this quote as well as some of the things Leviathan has said. Personally, I do not find a reason to grieve for people on the news. I mean, say a little girl has been kidnapped and been killed by some psycho. I wouldn't say to myself "Oh my god, how sad!! This is just terrifying and heart wrenching!". Instead, I'm more likely to go "Oh. That's too bad." Cold as it may seem, it's simply not worth your time to grieve for every single tragedy that occurs in the world. There's too many. Now watching the news talking about the deaths in London...well, personally, I didn't really care. Ok. People died. Move on. Instead of thinking "Oh man, this is just horrible!! I can't believe they would do something like this!", I went "...Crap. Does this mean they're going to do the same in NY?". Grieving just wasn't my thing because 1) I didn't know these people...at all and 2) How does their death concern me at all? In response to Elara's statement.. With all due respect, I personally disagree with it. I don't think its a matter of how or why they died. It's what you plan to do about it as a response to those deaths. EDIT: Give this incident one week and everyone will forget about it. Remember the Tsunami in India? Notice how nobody no longer cares about it? I mean, what about all the AID victims in Africa? The poverty in certain parts of China? The constant killings in the Middle East? Truth is, after just a couple of days to a couple of weeks, no one's going to care anymore. |
| Leviathan Posts: 19/210 |
You know..i'm starting to like this Sparda guy.
He's damned close to being right. I find it a waste of emotion (a rather unpleasant emotion at that). 50 people just don't MEAN anything. Someone dies on this planet every..what..3 seconds? More than 50 people died in the time it would take to read this thread. There is ALWAYS a loss of life. It is one of the immutable facts of existance. Some terrorists killed fifty people..so? Hundreds of thousands die daily. 100,000 - 50 = 99,950. Wow...at least 99 thousand other people died that day. See my point? People die. Constantly. Yet some people decide to stop and grieve when they see a handful of lives lost on the news. It just makes no damned sense. |
| Reno Posts: 20/41 |
The English deserve to have shit blown up in their own country, but not from the Arabs. If the Irish came in and wiped out 4 million of 'em at once, it'd be pay back for the genocide.
Irish Population before the 'famine': 8 million. Irish Population now: 5 million. What does that tell you about what England thinks about other nations? My opinion is, the English deserved it, but it was the wrong people that did the job. |
| Elara Posts: 1455/9734 |
For the record, it was over 50 people that died. Also, there was another attack today... no one was killed this time though.
You know, I am going to sound a bit odd here, but I don't care. When 9/11 happened, I didn't give a rats ass. I lost no one, I didn't care at all. In my eyes it was the governement messing up. A year later I watched footage from the attacks, and only then did I appriciate the horror of that day and respect the innocent lives that were lost. London had no warning, no idea that it would happen. They were lucky that so few people died, since so many people ride the tubes daily... and I am sure that the terrorists that planned the attack ment to kill more than they did. I cared about the attacks in London as soon as I heard about it. Why? Because I learned to respect the sadness of the loss of an innocent life to senseless violence and I also recognized that they ment to kill many more than they managed to. These attacks, and these deaths effect us all even if we don't want them to. How? These deaths reflect upon the fact that there is something seriously wrong in human society, which is something that all humanity needs to notice. In the end, it is not about the number of people that died, but how they died and more importantly why they died. |
| BBQMissile Posts: 410/1198 |
But the truth of the matter is...Leviathan has no reason to care. He was not really affected by the attacks. The deaths of these people have nothing to do with him. It's not like he knew these people. Why should he grieve for people he never even met or seen before? To him, it's like grieving for every single animal that dies. It's just not going to happen because some people just don't give a fuck.
Personally, I find that perfectly understandable. In the end, however, most people will forget everything about these people because these deaths didn't effect them at all. What really matters, in my opinion, is what countries as a whole will do about these deaths. |
| Savedox Posts: 111/1567 |
It really gives me a sickening feeling reading the things that you are saying Leviathan. I have to agree with Strange Deja Vu on this one. Everytime i find out someone die its like punch to the stomach. Inocent people die who could have made our lives a better place in the long run. And when you pretty much slap everyone of those familys who lost a family member in that attack or anything else for that matter. Its like a slap to the face. |
| Kard Ayals Posts: 511/2915 |
I'm not saying to even cry or something.
I'm just saying to "not spit on those people's grave". I've seen my father die before my eyes (God, how many times do I have to use this exemple). Never did I cry (I never hated him). I only respected him as someone who died. I won't be sad, I'll just "respect the dead". |
| Leviathan Posts: 17/210 |
Yes. In the grand scheme of things, a life holds no importantance. Neither do 37. Or a hundred. Or a thousand. There are well over 6 billion people on this planet. We are like..ants. A few losses mean nothing, save for to the families of those lost. And even then..grief means little to those still alive, eh? They usually get over it.
And before you say anything..yes, i have lost people who were very dear to me. I grieved..i moved on. Thus is life. |
| Kard Ayals Posts: 510/2915 |
So to you, every life is insignificant? Don't get me wrong, I don't exactly feel sorrow. But I prefer to defend those people than having someone say that someone dying of something like that is 'nothing'. |
| Leviathan Posts: 16/210 |
Innocent people die every day. It is a simple fact of life. Accidents..murders..suicide..disease..we are human. We die. It is one of the things we're especially good at. And yet you have people who stop to feel bad about THIS sort of thing. Guess what? Chances are, you don't have much time left yourself. Stop wasting it feeling sorrow over an absolutely INSIGNIFICANT loss of life. |
| Kard Ayals Posts: 509/2915 |
Originally posted by Leviathan Your way of thinking sucks. It's not the number that matters, it's how innocent people were killed. Like how civilans in war get killed. WHO CARES ABOUT NUMBERS. |
| Leviathan Posts: 15/210 |
37 dead.
You're kidding. These days, a number like that is hardly news worthy. They killed 37 people...and? How many people died that day from car accidents? ODs? Unrelated murders? Jesus...37 people is NOTHING. It is insignificant. When they take out 25,000 in one fell swoop, THEN i'll bother taking note. Until then..why are you all so worked up about this? |
| Reno Posts: 12/41 |
Eh, this may sound cruel, but if it had've been the IRA who did it, I would've stood up and started clapping, England needs a bit of payback, but these Middle Eastern fuckers shouldn't be bombing a country that isn't oppressing them. God damned Arabs... =/ |
| Ryan Posts: 459/1748 |
I didn't even know about the London bombings until I got about 7 IMs from people asking "Are you alright?" and "You're alive!". I'd been to a theme park for the day and went straight onto the computer as soon as I got back. I feel sorry for the people who died and were injured but I still want to know why this happened. |
| Elara Posts: 1362/9734 |
I popped onto the Pagan message board that I post on to see if our London members were alright. All of them seem to be fine, but one of them lost their best friend in the attacks. It was heartbreaking to read her post, and I found myself crying. Just read:
I spent the day trying to get hold of my best friend and her fiance. they both work in central London. I went around their house that evening. No one home. So they may have been stuck travel wise. I went over the next day after calling the boss at the book shop and explaining (I worked my day off as he couldn't travel in on the day and since I live above the shop...) No sign of anyone being home at all and their dog was really worked up. I had no way of calling her parents or his, so talked to the next door neighbour. They didn't have a key but were willing to back me up with breaking in through the rear kitchen window to check on the dog and make sure she was fed and taken care of. I've since found out that John (the fiance) is in hospital in critical condition, but expected to recover. But Hannah is gone. Fate is so cruel. They were both in Thailand when the tsunami's hit and I was scared then that she was gone. But they made it back home safe and sound looking a bit sheepish because they had been so far inland as to miss the most of it and people had worried for no reason about them. And all she was doing was going to work like she did every morning. What did SHE ever do to cause them harm? What did any of those people do to THEM? If it was a terrorist attack aimed at the G8, why did they do it here? The politicians weren't in London. She never did anything to hurt anyone. She was the most annoyingly beautiful but most interesting person I had ever had the priviledge of knowing. She was the type of person you wanted so desperately to hate because she was so beautiful, but when you got to know her you just couldn't. And I think a lot people missed out on her because of that. If you needed anything and she had it to give she would give it. Even if she didn't know you she'd have let you cry on her shoulder and tried her hardest to make you feel better. She was one of the best people I ever knew, and I miss her. I'm sorry. I'm sorry they feel thay have to make their point through violence on innocent people. I'm sorry so many of their own innocent people have died. But they are perputating the cycle. It will only stop when one side takes a stand and says that no more innocent people will die for a reason that no one even remembers anymore. I've lost one of the best friends I could have hoped to have and I can only feel sorry for them. Their gods will deal with what they've done. -Ariadne |
| Cairoi Posts: 299/3807 |
I have a theory on this attack. I believe that since G8 was meeting for the first day that day (that day was cancled due to the attack) that the terrorists wanted to bring one message across: that the Middle-East is just as an important matter as Africa. We're in there and we can't pull out. I'm not saying we should pull out now, but we shouldn't have gone in the first place. You realize that those countries don't give half the prepresentation they deserve? Loud movements like this is their sick way of getting their message across. So I thinking that because Tony Blair was the chariman, they chose London to bring back terrorism into the discussion. You never know... |
| geeogree Posts: 44/246 |
don't know why I didn't either...
and how can we not be divided? Both sides see different courses of action as the right one to take. I agree that everyone should try and work together to form a solution, but I seriously doubt that a more "liberal" approach to the problem is going to work considering how things have gone so far with the Islamic terrorists |
| Kard Ayals Posts: 447/2915 |
Originally posted by Elara He didn't write his post 
(He said it at Acmlm's, not sure why he didn't here) |
| Elara Posts: 1354/9734 |
I thought you lived in Canada geeogree. Whatever.
As for the content of your post, I am acutally disgusted that you would use this as an opportunity to attack "liberals". This is a time when people should be uniting as one, but talk like that only serves to divide us further. That is what the terrorists want, that is part of their goals... divide and conquer, oldest strategy in the book. In taking that view and attacking liberals, you are playing into their hands. Same goes for liberals that attack conservatives. What is so fucking hard to understand about uniting together against a common enemy and actually trying to listen/see another persons point of view?! I believe that Lincoln said it best, "A house divided against itself cannot stand". |
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