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Since: 08-29-04
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Posted on 08-29-10 02:18 AM Link | Quote
Ouch, I totally forgot about judging. Can I do that tomorrow?
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Posted on 08-29-10 03:40 AM Link | Quote
Seeing as how not every participant has judged, would it be fair to count participant judging?

For instance, every person has an extra set of points, aside from Vulkar, meaning his score would be much lower. If we are doing an average score, then I suppose that would be better, but not by much, as Vulkar would be penalized more for a not-so-great review, where he might have had the fourth person reviewing giving him a point shower.
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Since: 08-15-04
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Posted on 08-29-10 12:37 PM Link | Quote
Well, I already cannot do average points unless everyone gets a score adjustment for not having spelling be judged by you. But that really isn't a hard fix. I suppose that since I am going to be at work all day that we can let Cairoi get his judging in today and then look at the scores... then figure out what do to.

So, how do we do the score average? average the overall or average each category?
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Since: 01-08-10
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Posted on 08-29-10 12:55 PM Link | Quote
I would say average the overall.

But Xeios is right; there will be a lot of problems because two of the participants never judged. It will only work if they all do, or all don't.


(Last edited by Phoenix on 08-29-10 12:56 PM)
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Since: 10-29-04
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Posted on 08-29-10 01:06 PM Link | Quote
Looking at the average for all the scores, I'd actually be in second place for the total points, but in third place if there aren't any participants judging, so I have no problem with counting participant judging, xD.

Anyway though, I'd kind of like to see an average for each category, to see who had best grammar, story, characters, etc, but also have an "overall best story" thing which has the average for total points.
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Since: 08-29-04
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Posted on 08-29-10 06:51 PM Link | Quote
Ok, I think I agree with everyone when I say the grading rubric needs WORK

Here's my suggestion:

Grammar & Spelling:
(mesh the two into one category)

Plot:
(this refers SOLELY to the story itself. The progression/variety/believability of events, as well as the events themselves).

Character:
(no real changes here)

Writing Style:
(instead of description, this catagory tends to leak into all the others. I think that by gathering it into catagory, the other ratings will be more fair.)

Creativity:
(once again, no real changes)
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Posted on 08-29-10 08:20 PM Link | Quote
Well, yes, the grading rubric needs work, BUT, it's too late into the contest, we will simply use the new rubric for a later contest.

And Elara, I didn't judge spelling because it's silly, everyone got a ten in that category anyway. So if you want to give a better view on averages, simply add 10 to my score, or subtract 10 from everyone else. But either way, it wouldn't affect overall score either way.

For instance I'll show something for Cairoi for instance, to show how little adding/subtracting 10 points matters.

Elara: 56

Vulkar: 52

Myself: 40

Phoenix: 56

True: 53

Average: 51.4

With an extra 10 points from me:

Elara: 56

Vulkar: 52

Myself: 50

Phoenix: 56

True: 53

Average: 53.4




See, a difference of 2 points, and that's how it would be for everyone that had 5 judges. People who had 4 judges would see an increase of 2.5 points. There's no reason to add the points, because in the long run, the scores would all be affected in the same direction. +2 or +2.5 points.
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Since: 08-29-04
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Posted on 08-29-10 08:31 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xeios
Well, yes, the grading rubric needs work, BUT, it's too late into the contest, we will simply use the new rubric for a later contest.


That is what I meant. Forgot to include that.
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Since: 08-15-04
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Posted on 08-30-10 08:26 AM Link | Quote
Well, I did say it was easy to deal with. And yes, new rubric next time. However I am certain I gave at least one 9 in spelling....

But yeah, I will do the averaging when I get home... tab browsing is not a strong suit of my phone.
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Since: 10-29-04
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Posted on 08-30-10 09:13 PM Link | Quote
Can I win by default just for being good looking?

And yeah, Cairoi's ideas sound mostly good, especially the part about getting ride of descriptions. My creative writing teacher actually advised me to not always spend a lot of time describing things, especially in the sort of stories I write, because it just takes away from what the reader should really be concentrating on.


(Last edited by Vulkas Maximus on 08-30-10 09:15 PM)
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Since: 04-17-10
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Posted on 08-30-10 09:27 PM Link | Quote
I agree with the aformentioned ideas. We have a tight limit and we have to tell a story besides having a vauge setting and features causes the reader to put himself in the story you decide if the building is a skyscraper or a single story house.
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Since: 10-29-04
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Posted on 08-31-10 12:09 AM Link | Quote
Well, I do think that stories need at least a basic outline of the environment, otherwise its a weakness in writing. However, I also say that the more time spent describing an environment, the less time is spent on a story.

My example of this would be Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time series. His descriptions were excellent, telling us everything. However, in at least the forth and fifth book in the series, the descriptions dragged on, never letting us focus on what the characters were doing. In the end, I got bored with it, making me take almost a year to get through his fifth book.

So basically, description is good, but it can turn away readers.

That's not to say that description can't have its place. Tolkien, for example, was very good at describing the world in The Lord of the Rings. However, his story was built around the world. To not have fantastical descriptions would be a shame.

But me and Tolkien are very different writers. Description goes great in his books, but what I write would be damaged by paragraphs upon paragraphs of description.
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Since: 08-15-04
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Posted on 08-31-10 08:41 AM Link | Quote
I think some people like description more than others. For example, I blew through the entire Wheel of Time series in less than a year from start to end... well, book ten at least. And I loved the description because it made the world real to me. Same with LotR (start to finish in 2 months, on top of summer classes). And yes, in some cases it can drag on... like a rea world setting, but in fantasy it is good to describe unless it is something identifiable with everyone, like a barn or something.

I am sorry I haven't got the scores up. Work has be opening 5 days a week so sleeping is becoming an issue for me. I swear I will get it done after my nap today.
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Posted on 08-31-10 08:12 PM Link | Quote
*Posting so that you can double post.*

You need to take a shorter nap, xD. The suspense is killing those of us that don't want to calculate the averages ourselves!
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Since: 08-15-04
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Posted on 08-31-10 11:30 PM Link | Quote
I fail at nap... really need to get this sleep schedule worked out. Anywho, here we go... I am just going to do totals.


AND THE RESULTS ARE.... *drumroll*

1) Cairoi: 53.4
2) Vulkar: 47.3
3) Cityondown: 41.5
4) Urban Astronaut: 40


Congratulations to Cairoi for winning the 2010 XGF Story Competition! I will contact Bitmap about having your prize made and get it to you as soon as it is finished.

A special thanks to everyone that participated, I hope that you will come back next time as either entrant or judge... or both... and we can implement the new ideas.

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Since: 10-29-04
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Posted on 09-01-10 11:01 AM Link | Quote
Victory is mine. Why? Because for the first time...I'm not in second to last place!

Congratulations, Cairoi!

Maybe I'll dominate later.
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Since: 01-08-10
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Posted on 09-01-10 11:35 AM Link | Quote
Congrats, Cairoi.

And congrats for not coming in second to last, Vulkar xD
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Posted on 09-01-10 11:47 AM Link | Quote
Congrats everyone, if it's held on a yearly basis next year it will be mine!
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Since: 08-15-04
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Posted on 09-01-10 03:02 PM Link | Quote
Vulkar was kind enough to do the category calculations for me and here they are (well, I did spelling, but it wasn't hard)

Grammar:

Vulkar: 8.2
Cairoi: 7.8
CityonDown: 6.333
Urban Astronaut: 6.333


Spelling:
You all got 10s... I think that is the first time it has happened actually.

Plot:

Cairoi: 8.6
Vulkar: 7.6
CityonDown: 6.66
Urban Astronaut: 6.5


Characters:

Cairoi: 9
Vulkar: 7.9
CityonDown: 5.5
Urban Astronaut: 5.5


Descriptions:

Cairoi: 9
CityonDown: 7.66
Vulkar: 7.4
Urban Astronaut: 6


Creativity:

Cairoi: 9.6
CityonDown: 6.66
Vulkar: 6.6
Urban Astronaut: 5.3
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Since: 08-29-04
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Posted on 09-01-10 05:32 PM Link | Quote
Awesome. Everyone who competed was great, and we should take a moment to thank our judges.

I'm thinking we should have more writing competitions.
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