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Azen Dalin

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Posted on 06-07-05 04:18 PM Link | Quote
Tobacco and Drug Laws seem to become more and more a bigger topic of everyday issues. So, why exactly are drugs such a big deal with teenagers?

I'm asking this because everyday I hear, "Oh so-and-so go busted with drugs the other day" and I just want to know...what makes teenagers do drugs? I am a smoker and I have to take adderol for my ADD...but what exactly makes people without medical ADD do speed and other things like that? I'm not talking about pot, I'm talking about HARDCORE drugs like meth, extacsy, and heroin.

Note, this is not a thread to make anyone look bad. If you use your own personal experiences, that is fine. I'm just curious why people do drugs.
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Posted on 06-07-05 05:45 PM Link | Quote
well, people all have different reasons....

some want attention... they think it's cool to do drugs...

some want to experience what it's like to do drugs... you hear about them all the time on TV and in movies....

others get pressured in because they know someone that is doing drugs...
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Posted on 06-07-05 05:50 PM Link | Quote
I think geeogree pointed out some key factors there.

It's sad that most the time people do it, only to "fit in" with others.

But, if someone smokes cigarettes or something, I'm not going to hate them for it. Heck, my mom does, and she hasn't really put any effort into stopping ...

So, I think it's a bad thing, but I also think it's kind of ignorant for people to label people who do in fact smoke, as "bad people" or something.

Of course, if it's something beyond cigarettes, I wouldn't think so lightly of the issue ...
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Posted on 06-07-05 11:15 PM Link | Quote
here is why i think some teenagers do it

they want attention

they think it will make them look cool

they tried it to see what it's like and they can't stop.

Some get depressed and going to drugs help numb the pain even if it doesn't take away your problems, it just numbs it.

a couple years back in my pre-teen stages
I went through my stupid sad phases and was a pill popper, I almost over dosed one night I was puking and spit out blood... I was so far out there and stepped on some glass bare footed and all I remember is there was blood ever where and past out waking up into a hospital.

I know think it was the most stupid thing ever in this whole wide world but I learned my lesson and I won't run to pills or anything like that I'm more papared to face my problems and deal with them like a real person should.
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Posted on 06-08-05 07:26 AM Link | Quote
Finally a topic I can really say I KNOW about.

I'm 14 and am two year sober. I was, well technically still am, very addicted to meth. I didn't do it to "fit in." I didn't do it because I thought it was cool. Alot of people I know did do it for that reason.

I first tried meth when I found out my Mom used it. I found a baggy in her room. I continued to do it because the highs and lows were amazing. One day you're flying above heaven and the next you want to die. It fit perfectly with my bi-polar personality.

My guess is people start because they what to experiment. That's why I did it. It's not right though and it can really fuck your life up.
Azen Dalin

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Posted on 06-08-05 08:10 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Makura
Finally a topic I can really say I KNOW about.

I'm 14 and am two year sober. I was, well technically still am, very addicted to meth. I didn't do it to "fit in." I didn't do it because I thought it was cool. Alot of people I know did do it for that reason.

I first tried meth when I found out my Mom used it. I found a baggy in her room. I continued to do it because the highs and lows were amazing. One day you're flying above heaven and the next you want to die. It fit perfectly with my bi-polar personality.

My guess is people start because they what to experiment. That's why I did it. It's not right though and it can really fuck your life up.


This is true Makura. I have many friends that did meth, and I'm proud of you! Meth is a very hard addiction to get out of, my mom's almost a month sober now. Its sad though, I have to take a form of Meth for my ADD to go away (Adderol) and my mom's getting off the stuff. I feel bad, but its for my ADD, you know? However, I know that I will not get addicted to Adderol, I get a low dose once a day and that's all I take. Not to mention, I don't take it on the weekend.

Addiction is something that is very hard to get over, and much like you say, most of the time you can't get over it. Keep it up Makura. People want to expirement, like you said, but also people use Meth for a "homework/study" drug. It helps for people to study late at night and things along that line. Then they become dependent upon it.

*huggles* like I said, keep it up Makura!
venomouslobster

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Posted on 06-08-05 03:17 PM Link | Quote
the main problem with drugs is not that the coolness or the peer pressure or any of that nonsence...the problem with drugs is that they are really really fun. with drugs your mind can be solving the mysteries of the universe (which invariably turn out to be bullshit once you come down) and completley escape the harsh realities of existance. this is a big temtation for a lot of people. i tried shrooms and hugged a tree for four hours while universes coalesced out of nothingness and became dreamscapes of wonder before my eyes, i spoke to god and god was love.....then i threw up rather violently for the rest of the night and thought i wanted to stop existing....at one point i found myself in a car crying and wearing a towel on my head....sounds sort of funny but really it was terrifying.

...i know a lot of people who have had alot of very positive drug experiances, and i know alot of people who have had very bad ones....very very bad ones. here is my practical advice to any and all who may ever try a drug collected from my own research:

#1 never ever ever do meth or crack or heroin...these will fuck up your life...these are the worst of the worst, worse than cocaine worse than mescaline worse than ether...just dont even start these cause they are bad bad shit

#2 your best bet is to forgo the drugs altogether but if you insist on trying something LEARN ABOUT IT FIRST go on erowid.com and look up the damn substance.

#3 do not ever ever ever mix drugs.

#4 alchohol is a traitor. never do drugs while drunk! 75 percent of overdoses were because the person was also drunk at the time. jim morrison, john belushi....both drunk...so was the fella from nirvana (he shot himself though but if that didnt kill him the heroin in his system would have)

#5 drugs, honestly are by and large HUGE wastes of time, and they can take over your life in a heartbeat and make you an idiot, so do something productive instead! if you really need to hallucinate that badly, bang your head against a wall till you see elephants....the mental effects are the same but the pain will reinforce the idea that it is dumb...

Van Rhanell

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Posted on 06-08-05 06:15 PM Link | Quote
I'm straight edge (the closest thing ive came to was the two times i drank red bull =P), I've witnessed how bad drugs are from my uncle's escipades with them; its's why he's spent half of his life in prison (he's about 40). I don't need anything to make me more creative either, my brain's right half is nearly as developed as my left. I would blame rap music and pop culture for the recent uprising of marijuana, so many kids think it will make you better at basketball and with women. Then there's just general stupidity, which exists a plenty in my area. I also have a very different perception of what's cool, so drugs aren't a problem at all for me and i'm glad.
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Posted on 06-08-05 11:29 PM Link | Quote
From what I've seen, some do it to experiment, and some just to rebel.

Either way, I think it's stupid. Of course, I'm naturally just odd and act like I'm on drugs so I don't need them. The only drugs I ever have done are alcohol and caffine, and that is all I ever will do.
Azen Dalin

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Posted on 06-11-05 12:29 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by venomouslobster

#1 never ever ever do meth or crack or heroin...these will fuck up your life...these are the worst of the worst, worse than cocaine worse than mescaline worse than ether...just dont even start these cause they are bad bad shit

#2 your best bet is to forgo the drugs altogether but if you insist on trying something LEARN ABOUT IT FIRST go on erowid.com and look up the damn substance.



I disagree about the meth thing. I'd rather someone do meth over heroin. Meth is actually not addictive if you don't have these problems.

A. You're not either ADD or ADHD

B. You don't obsesse about your weight

C. You don't have an addictive personality

Meth can seriously fuck you up if you abuse it (note: any drug can fuck you up if you abuse it) and yes Elara, it is stupid. But you have to look at it from other people's personalities. Bipolar people feel better, ADD people can actually pay attention for more than 5 seconds...there are more reason than JUST getting away from a problem.

People have psychological (ADD, Bipolar) issues and feel that this is a good way out. However, if you'd look it up, its actually easier and less expensive just to get a perscription than do things like this.
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Posted on 06-12-05 02:47 AM Link | Quote
Thus why I think it is stupid. If you have ADD or are Bipolar, then just go and get the perscription medication like everyone else instead of wasting your money on drugs that do the same damn thing for you and cost much more.

And I believe that Venom was trying to convey that people not do either drug as far as Meth and Heroin are concerned, since bother are really bad.
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Posted on 07-19-05 12:25 AM Link | Quote
The reason many teenagers try and get addicted to heavier drugs is because puberty is about exploration and experimentation. These drugs wouldn't be quite so bad if they were manufactured by people who knew what they were doing, and cared about the health of the drug consumers. Heroin is merely the left overs of Morphine, generally, it's made with toxic chemicals in place of safer ones to save costs, then, it's cut with other toxic substances so the dealer can make more money. Ecstacy as sold at clubs, and other such hangouts is rarely the real thing, and when it is, it's often cut with other substances, toxic, or otherwise, which increases the risk of use.

The problem with drugs is not the fact they can hurt people, it's the fact that people manufacturing it simply don't give a fuck whether the people who buy it live or die. If the drugs were manufactured by people who knew what they were doing, it'd be very, very easy to use the drugs in moderation. Addiction is something that comes with abuse, and everything has a different abuse threshold, if people simply used their heads, they'd be able to live happily in good health. But seeing as most people are hysterical fucking morons, that will never happen.
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Posted on 07-19-05 10:38 PM Link | Quote
Now, normally I'd get on your case for bumping, but that was a well written post, so you're good.

I have to agree with you there about what the people making the illegal drugs are doing. It's actually one main reason why I think buying street drugs is a stupid idea. Most of the time you're not getting what you think you're getting and it can end up killing you.
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Posted on 07-20-05 06:49 AM Link | Quote
Marijuana, is the safest drug out there, and the best one for anyone who wants to try something, in most cases, it's not tainted, if you buy it from a decent person. In Australia, there are three types of Marijuana smoker, the type who generally sticks to weed, and doesn't move outside of that, prefering to smoke homegrown, or reputable stuff. Then there is the second type, people who simply don't care what they do, because they're stupid. The third is the Junkie, these people don't really smoke Marijuana for the enjoyment, they do it to hold themselves over for their next hit. I'm the first type, I smoke only Marijuana, and I always have, and I always will, I enjoy my smoke like most people would enjoy a beer or a glass of fine wine. I can appreciate the differences in taste, feel, effect and quality, I don't smoke it everyday, because I know that could effect me more than I'd like, I use it as something fun or relaxing to do on a Friday night with a group of close friends.

Moving onto other drugs now.

The thing about Mushrooms, Acid and other such drugs is the fact most people don't know HOW to have a good trip. Things like Mushrooms aren't just happy, perky, "Come on Barbie, let's go party" drugs, they're powerful, and they are to be respected. If you educate yourself on such drugs, and respect them to the degree they deserve, they probably won't harm you, unless you're allergic.

To safely consume Mushrooms, you need a sitter, someone to watch over you, someone experienced enough to calm you down, and relax you into a nice, happy place if you get scared. You also need to do it in a safe, controlled area, somewhere that's not too warm, not too cold, you need good music, and close friends to enjoy it with. Only YOU, the consumer of these drugs can make sure YOU don't get addicted, only YOU can make sure you don't freak out. Kids nowadays have no respect and that's why they get into so much shit, I didn't get addicted to Marijuana at 15, I didn't get addicted to Acid at 15 and I never got addicted to LSD, I haven't gone insane, and I haven't fucked my life.

All because I chose the right path, respect and humility in the face of the unknown. Egotism, and ignorance will only hurt you when it comes to drugs, and by the statistics, you can see that most people are fucking morons. :p

To put it simply, if you fuck up your life with drugs, it's your fault, not the fault of the dealers, or the manufacturers, or even the drugs themselves. It's up to you to take responsibility, it's up to you to act intelligently, it's up to you to do the research, to read the trip reports good and bad. Simply saying 'Drugs are bad, don't take them.' won't help anyone, it just hurts everyone involved. There would be no such thing as 'Junkies' in most regards if the government simply regulated everything rather than banning it all together. People who take Heroin aren't making a wise choice, but without the high prices demanded by dealers, they wouldn't have to rob houses to get the money. They could work and live in society like normal people, without oppression or fear of being busted, so many social problems would simply vanish overnight if more people fought for freedom of choice.

Edit: Oh, for anyone who was taught by the American Education system, or anything funded by the American Government, I will remind you why your 'evidence' against Marijuana isn't valid.

"I now have absolute proof that smoking even one marijuana cigarette is equal in brain damage to being on Bikini Island during an H-bomb blast." - Ronald Reagan, Former President of the U.S.A.

I should note, it's my been my dream to piss on his grave ever since I found out how he was involved in the war on drugs.




(Last edited by Reno on 07-20-05 10:05 AM)
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Posted on 07-24-05 01:04 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Reno
Marijuana, is the safest drug out there, and the best one for anyone who wants to try something


But it doesnt matter how "safe" it is because it will still **** you up... Anyway I think most people do it to be popular or for the "Thrill of It". I have ADHD but dont take anything for it because the medication just made me fallasleep all the time. (of course off of it I have WAY TOO much energy...
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Posted on 07-24-05 10:06 AM Link | Quote
Can you name anything in the world that doesn't fuck you up or doesn't have a chance of fucking you up if you overdo it?

If you can do that, your point of view will be valid.
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Posted on 07-24-05 05:41 PM Link | Quote
Well MMORPGs are very fun to play, and the only thing you'll lose is sleep and friends

ALL drugs have to be the most uncreative way of having fun, ever. Only the weak (in spirit) have to use something to feel more hyper, relaxed or euphoric than normal. Drugs also destroy you faster than most things like sugar, lead or mercury. And if you wanted to get a thrill out of the cannibus leaf, eating it should give you the same general effect. Smoking is horrible to be around and do, so i have no idea why it's the only way to use that. I still think it's mostly the fault of modern popular music and it not being good, but anyone who is on a drug and not trying to stop is the weakest kind of person there is. That goes for you too, Bob Marley.
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Posted on 07-24-05 07:39 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Reno
Can you name anything in the world that doesn't fuck you up or doesn't have a chance of fucking you up if you overdo it?

If you can do that, your point of view will be valid.



Good point *Bow's to Reno*.

Anyway drugs are MORE dangerous than most stuff...
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