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Makura









Since: 01-22-05
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Posted on 06-16-05 12:22 PM Link | Quote
Are you for or against the death pentalty?

I don't won't anyone saying they are for it under certain circumstances. If you are for it under any circumstances then you are for it.
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Since: 04-26-05
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Posted on 06-16-05 12:41 PM Link | Quote
I am for it. Though "Eye for an Eye" is much better.
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Posted on 06-16-05 12:42 PM Link | Quote
eh... doesn't killing a killer make you a killer too?
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Posted on 06-16-05 01:16 PM Link | Quote
Killing a killer prevents problems and more deaths.
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Posted on 06-16-05 01:26 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by High Flyin' Ryan
Killing a killer prevents problems and more deaths.


but it would make you just as bad as the killer, wouldn't it? you'd still be killing someone.
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Posted on 06-16-05 02:25 PM Link | Quote
Well technically it would not be me . It would be a police officer pulling on a switch to send volts of electricity into the killer. I do not think anyone wants a killer coming into their town or near their house. For security reasons it is definitly best to have the death penalty. You may not realize it at the moment, but if someone killed your mother, father, sister, brother, or some sort of relative, would you really want that person to survive? I know I wouldn't.
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Since: 02-01-05
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Posted on 06-16-05 02:54 PM Link | Quote
See the dealth Penalty is put into affect in many ways. Life in Prision is a death penalty. So it is either killing them sooner or let them rot and then die. They died on your behalf not letting them out of prision or because you kept them there to die. I am for the death Penalty.


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Since: 01-12-05
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Posted on 06-16-05 06:27 PM Link | Quote
I am against the death penalty.

It's immoral, disgusting and just plain wrong.

It's funny to see people against abortion but pro death penalty...

But yeah, I'm anti abortion and anit death penalty.
Belial

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Since: 01-29-05
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Posted on 06-16-05 10:16 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Jin
It's funny to see people against abortion but pro death penalty...


hah, I'm the opposite of that. XD
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Since: 12-29-04
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Posted on 06-17-05 01:22 AM Link | Quote
alright folks... death penalty, sure, why not? not like it's a new idea or anything. it's been in practice for thousands of years already.

i'll add something to put it into more prospective...

someone kills someone so you send them away forever, safe retribution. but what really happens when you send them away...? it's gotta be free, right? no...? thousands of dollars a day to keep him alive you say? how, why? guards? food? that's crazy talk...

not only is the death penalty a perfect punishment for them, but it also allows us to make better use of our budget. why spend hundreds of thousands to keep a murder alive? plus, it's not like everyone's eliable for it. you've got to commit first degree murder along with another felony, and even then, it's up to the DA if he/she wants to give him the death penalty. and once convicted, there's the appeals process and the supreme court HAS to review every death penalty case before they inject him. the appeals process is rather costly, the court process is expensive, keeping him alive in prison is expensive... and all this for a blood thirsty murder? that's great logic... let's spend all our money to keep a murder alive and take funds away from our kids in schools instead, that'll teach those liberals to mess with us!
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Posted on 06-17-05 08:53 AM Link | Quote
wow... well, that's something. Money over a person's life.. hmmm... Even if they're a murderer, they're still a person. They still have feelings, they still have thoughts, regrets, relationships... They just think differently than you.
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Posted on 06-17-05 08:59 AM Link | Quote
"Death is the easy way out".

I've heard this quote quite often and that's still what I believe.
Jobes

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Since: 02-01-05
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Posted on 06-17-05 03:31 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Belial
wow... well, that's something. Money over a person's life.. hmmm... Even if they're a murderer, they're still a person. They still have feelings, they still have thoughts, regrets, relationships... They just think differently than you.


What about the person they killed if they are a person they took their feelings away their thought their regrets relationships....THEIR LIFE..... so what gives those people more rights then the person they killed? Avatar right the nail on the head. Why should I keep paying money to keep someone alive when they took the rights the right to life from someone else


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Posted on 06-17-05 03:34 PM Link | Quote
I'll add something to what I said earlier:

Don't give those people much. Only enough to live. Make THEM do the dirty work nobody wants to do. There's all sort of ways to make someone realise what they've done and finally agonize over it.
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Posted on 06-17-05 04:31 PM Link | Quote
See if it is a one time murder then he might feel guilty and all that but If he has killed before he won't feel guilty he will just sit there and feel nothing so I think they should have to agonize over the day they die they shouldn't be able to know what day their death will happen


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Posted on 06-17-05 04:49 PM Link | Quote
Wow, the layouts are horribly messed up here.

Anywho: I am kinda divided on this for many reasons, but over all I do kinda support it for a very cold-hearted reason.

While I think that killing is wrong and all that, I believe in the Threefold Law that states what you send out comes back to you threefold. It's basically karma. You kill someone, it's karma that kills you, so there is support for it. Yet this perpetutes the cycle, because then those killing the killer will die because of karma as well, and it's this whole mess that is just sad and shouldn't happen.

So why did I say I support it? Because it decreases the surplus population or idiots in the world in a more humane way. The prisons are overcrowded as it is, and when you have a bunch of violent people locked up in a confined space fights will break out and people will get killed. I think it's more humane to give a killer a lethal combo of chemicals and let him go peacefully than for him to be shanked to death by Big Bubba because he took his chair.

Yes, I am a cold-hearted bitch, but you have to admit that I make a point.
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Since: 12-29-04
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Posted on 06-17-05 08:32 PM Link | Quote
i think most of you are in good faith and heart with great opinions, but you're mostly not educated about the death penalty.

in elara's case, the people who are on death row are not with the general population, so there's nothing to worry about. they are generally locked up 20+ hours in the day alone. on another note, i thought karma was what determine what you will be in your next life... tho westerners have changed it into what will happen in your future -.-' oh wells... anyways, i dont like karma, and how it's used. i mean, i doesnt explain why "truly good" people would get murdered for no reason, or how a cold executive make millions.

on another note, a life is a life even if it's from a murder's? that's a terrible thing to say because i know for a fact if someone murdered your loved ones your prospective on life would immediatly change period end of story. it's so damn easy to say such a thing when nothing has happened to you yet.
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Posted on 06-17-05 08:59 PM Link | Quote
Im for it. If you did something bad enuff to get it then you should be punished but i dont like how they just let them sit there and waste money. They should just go ahead and kill them. Their gonna die anyways.
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Since: 08-15-04
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Posted on 06-18-05 01:53 AM Link | Quote
Avatar, did you read my whole post?

I actually do know about the death penalty, and the true meaning of karma, but the general populace sees it as "do good and you get good, do bad and you get bad" so I use it in this form.

And like I said, I think it's more humane than letting them rot in prison and get killed anyway, and the decreasing of the population of the prison also effects the non-incarcerated population because it means that the government is spending less money keeping prisoners locked up and taken care of and thusly have more money to spend on other things that need doing. Also note I said "population of idiots" (of which 1 or more is a surplus in my opinion). Alas the world is full of them though, so if one goes and does something dumb enough to land them on death row, then I say farewell and good riddance.
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Since: 12-29-04
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Posted on 06-18-05 02:11 AM Link | Quote
i didnt mean it like that =/ poor choices of words in the wrong arrangement. my first comment was seperate from the second. and when i said in elara's case, i should've said, something along the lines of...

yeah it's true there are those who are going to be killed, but it's not going to be from those on death row. fights will happen and all that, but killing those in death row will not provide any substantial space for other prisoners.

and to defend myself, you did write

"I think it's more humane to give a killer a lethal combo of chemicals and let him go peacefully than for him to be shanked to death by Big Bubba because he took his chair."

so i assumed you were talking about those in death row being alongside with the general populace.

but back on the subject... it's not a perfect world, so we shouldn't try and live up to a better standard than what we are already doing. those who still believes in preservation of life and all that mumbo jumbo should wake up to our inperfectioness. i mean, compaired to other countries, our prisoners are basically royalty.

and does killing a killer make you a killer?
no hardly, the def of a murderer is "A criminal who commits homicide (who performs the unlawful premeditated killing of another human being)"

as long as we live in a place that still regulates law, "killer" means something else. and what is a life anyways? next thing you'll tell me is i'm not allowed to eat chicken anymore because it's a life. what's the difference between a human and an animal? at one point blacks were even lower than animals, so don't try and tell me the difference, because things change.
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