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Whether you think it's real or not, assume for this that it is. Where do you think this place of suffering would exist?
The center/edge of the universe
 
4.0%, 1 vote
The center of the earth
 
4.0%, 1 vote
in your mind
 
40.0%, 10 votes
other
 
52.0%, 13 votes
Multi-voting is disabled. 25 users have voted.

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Van Rhanell

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Since: 08-15-04
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Posted on 10-02-05 10:35 AM Link | Quote
We've never fully explored any of these places, so they're all valid possibilities. I think it's in the center of earth, because of its fortold limited size, overall theme of fire, and gravity would then be a metaphor of us not being able to escape our sins on our own.
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Posted on 10-02-05 10:49 AM Link | Quote
Well at one point in time in History there was actually a Hell on Earth where people would actually go to. And this version of Hell was open during World War 2 in Germany

Honestly, if I said I believed in a Heaven and Hell and I have a feeling where they are, I would halfway be lying through my teeth.

Sorry to stray off the subject but I just think Heaven and Hell were created by Humans to keep public order and to give hope.

I have my own thoughts on where you go when you die, no philosphy, no religion, no greater force, no evil demon down below, just thoughts and or Dreams.


(Last edited by HoboConductor on 10-02-05 01:50 PM)
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Since: 11-15-04
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Posted on 10-02-05 10:54 AM Link | Quote
Hell is in Your mind...If you belive in any of those religions with hell well then...Its in your mind...

You chose to belive is something some half drunk street bum could have written well...Be my Guest...

I am highly Skeptical of this Holy Books...

To say the least...

I am not trying to bash an religion...
Astrophel
Fear will kill your mind and steal your love as sure as anything;
Fear will rob you blind and make you numb to others suffering









Since: 10-03-04
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Posted on 10-02-05 05:26 PM Link | Quote
Working in customer service.

To be a little more serious, Hell exists within your mind, or so I think. You'll probably get the same answer from any atheist you ask, as well as a majority of non-Christians... I may be wrong, but it seems a logical guess that people who don't share the Christian idea of Hell would think it's all in your head.

Edit: If it does exist, that'd mean your spirit would exist (we KNOW the body sticks around, so what's left to go to Hell?), and I'd still guess it'd be self-inflicted torment, in all honesty. The human mind is a powerful thing, and if people can get some symptoms of an illness from strongly believing that they have it, what's stopping their belief from being the source of their torment?


(Last edited by Tamarin Calanis on 10-02-05 08:28 PM)
Lord Vulkas Mormonus

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Since: 10-29-04
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Posted on 10-02-05 07:13 PM Link | Quote
I'm going to have to vote for other, as my religion has a completely different form of belief as the afterlife:

You see, in my religion, we believe that after you die, depending on what religion you are, as always you go to the Heaven/Hell thing. The people who go to Hell, are taught by the people who go to Heaven about the true religion. So, after a long period, tthere will be a judgement day, where all of the spirits are judged by their actions. The bad spirits are sent to a place called "outer darkness", which may be considered Hell.

So, my personal opinion is that they will go to a different diminsion, devoid of light, or most physical matter. I don't believe in the whole firey furnace thing.
geeogree

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Since: 10-19-04

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Posted on 10-03-05 12:25 AM Link | Quote
wow Vulkar.... that sounds pretty similar to what I believe about "Hell"

what religion do you follow.... you can PM me if you want...

As for hell, it's both a place and a state of being. The "hellfire" is what your mind/soul experiences after realizing the choices you made were wrong and you've missed out on something better than you got.... but it's also a place, in the strictest sense, that your soul goes somewhere and exists there for eternity.
Elara

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Since: 08-15-04
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Posted on 10-03-05 01:22 AM Link | Quote
Hell is in Michigan. Seriously, it's a small town in Michigan.

Yes, I just had to be a smart ass.

Wiccans don't have a concept of Hell actually. Though in my own personal views I'd say that Earth is Hell.
Evo

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Since: 08-16-04
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Posted on 10-03-05 02:56 AM Link | Quote
Whoops. I clicked on other. I probably would have put "In your own mind." I don't know, I basically agree with waht Hobo said.

Nothing really to add to that.
shadowdude2

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Since: 08-28-05
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Posted on 10-08-05 04:04 AM Link | Quote
I agree with what hobo said too. I basicly beleive in what sience has proven and/or not proven therefore I beleive when you die you rot in the ground. I also beleive that your soul and your personality are one in the same, when you die your brain dies and your personality goes with it.
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Since: 03-08-05
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Posted on 10-10-05 08:08 AM Link | Quote
I chose Other. I don't believe in hell. I just don't. Ridiculous, in my opinion, but that's just me.
Originally posted by Elara
Though in my own personal views I'd say that Earth is Hell.
Seconded.


(Last edited by Clockworkz on 10-10-05 11:09 AM)
Evo

Red Super Koopa
Watching you fall brings joy to my heart....








Since: 08-16-04
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Posted on 10-10-05 05:02 PM Link | Quote
Heheh, I bet if Kaijin ever visited the Debate Shrine, he's chose "other" and put "Subway" as his explaination. Hehe. Yay for first jobs.

Do you believe in Heaven, Clock?
The Accidental Protege

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Since: 03-08-05
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Posted on 10-10-05 05:10 PM Link | Quote
I believe in Summerland.
It's kind of a rest stop between lives, where souls go. Once a soul has learned all it can in one life, it retires to Summerland and takes on another form of life, and the cycle keeps on going, until it has learned all there is to learn.
So yeah, I do believe in heaven, in a sense
Pockets

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Posted on 10-11-05 04:44 AM Link | Quote
I like the concept of only being alive to Learn Clock. It's a nice idea. I look at
each day as a time to learn something new even if it's something
completely useless or inconsequential normally. It's still new. So it is worth
learning.

I also have to agree with Elara. Hell is Earth basically. And this hell is one that
we've created for ourselves through ignorance, hatred, bigotry, and stupidity.

Humans are wonderful creatures aren't they? *insert heavy sarcasm*
Elara

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Since: 08-15-04
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Posted on 10-12-05 01:50 AM Link | Quote
The only thing I don't like about the concept of Summerland is the name... it's my least-favorite season, but I do understand it's reason for being called that I guess. Autumnland would be just as nice though, but doesn't sound right.

Oh yeah, FYI to those that didn't know: Summerland is the Wiccan version of Heaven essentially.
Evo

Red Super Koopa
Watching you fall brings joy to my heart....








Since: 08-16-04
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Posted on 10-12-05 04:30 AM Link | Quote
But what about all those happy moments??? Seems like that would kinda cancel out the whole idea of hell. SOme things just make life worth living and more.

And Summerland sounds pretty.
geeogree

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Since: 10-19-04

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Posted on 10-12-05 02:07 PM Link | Quote
yeah, I don't think Earth the way it is or has been could be remotely close to "the worst it could ever get"....

it does suck a lot.... but it is also great other times. Hell to me is perpetual torment with no good and all bad.... and my life definitely isn't that
Belial

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Since: 01-29-05
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Posted on 10-12-05 04:59 PM Link | Quote
But... Summerland is only 20 minutes from where I live.... lol.

Elara

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Since: 08-15-04
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Posted on 10-12-05 05:47 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Belial
But... Summerland is only 20 minutes from where I live.... lol.




Ha! Okay, that is the most hilarious thing! Hell is in Michigan and Summerland is in California... so what state is Heaven in?
The Accidental Protege

Iggy Koopa
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Since: 03-08-05
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Posted on 10-12-05 08:27 PM Link | Quote
Okay, maybe not the world. Just America. Or Baghdad.
Jedi Master Desroth

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Since: 08-24-04
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Posted on 10-12-05 08:54 PM Link | Quote
I agree with Hyatt (Elara). Also being of the wiccan faith, I dont believe that Heaven is up above us, and the hell is below us. I believe more in reincarnation, but with a twist. The instant you die, you are placed into a newborn baby, and begin life anew without the knowledge of your past life. This is also why some people get weird feelings like theyve done something already (cause they did it in their past life.). Either that, or if you a totally wiccan, you merge with the spirit of earth, and become the power wiccan's draw upon when they work "spells". Common misconceptions are that you dont cast the spell immediatley, you ask the power around you to do it. The power takes time and patience, and in no way can you curse people with hexes and shoot fireballs from your hands (Hexes are frowned upon, magik is made for good use, not bad. If you do do something horrible with it, it might just come back to bite you on the ass.)

So yeah, I dont believe in heaven or hell, but I think Jesus was a real man. Was he the son of god himself? No, I dont think he was, but I guess the brainwashed masses have to have something to hold onto to make their lifes worth while (no offenses, but thats all organized religion is...)
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