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True Flight Posts: 4651/5245 |
AFN ended earlier =P
I miss those days. So awesome. great pay. Ha the On Air light is still broke. XD |
Rogue Posts: 8142/11918 |
Bumped because today Obama announced a complete drawdown of U.S. troops in Iraq, saying they'll be home by new year's day.
The U.S. will maintain 4,000-5,000 security contractors to protect American diplomats, but otherwise this is supposedly the end of the war in that country. |
True Flight Posts: 4232/5245 |
Let me explain something. Yes we are LEAVING Iraq. However everyone is headed for Afghanistan with in the next year. Including reserves and national guard. I can understand reserves, but I believe that we are misusing our national guard. NG is supposed to be used for the United States.
However the down side is that we only have like 1 infantry unit in the reserves. O.o So most NG units that leave are infantry. Look if it is so damn hard to get into active duty because there are way too many people in it. Why the hell are we sending reserves and NG? So this boils down to one more thing. Who decides when to send units? The pentagon.... Who runs the military? The president. AND ONE MORE THING. It's not free health care. It's a law stating that we have to HAVE health care. SO we're paying for health care that we can't afford anyway. Oh and the bullshit about borderline protection. Wonderful idea... too bad we still have to listen to people rant about how these laws are racist. Can you believe that there are people out there who think that President Obama pays their welfare checks? WTF. Some people need to stfu and get a freakin job. I pay for their welfare checks dammit. |
Cairoi Posts: 9008/3807 |
Well, I can definitely see how that's an issue, with people taking advantage of that, but that's less of a presidential boo boo and more of a "there are assholes in this world" kind of deal. I was talking about his presidency in general, not just how he's running as military (which, truth be told, I kind of never had high hopes for as he ran, the man's a professor from Chicago). However, he certainly should improve on that if he wants more support from you guys overseas and coming back home. |
True Flight Posts: 4230/5245 |
Personally I believe that the mission in Iraq is far from over. The rebuilding phase is still beginning. September is when we go from Operation Iraqi Freedom to Operation New Dawn. This is where we hand over a lot of stuff to the government of Iraq. The locals here are cool, yes, however you can still hear the crap that goes on out in the red zone from where I am.
Here's the thing... In the United States... A cop siren goes off just about every well... 3 hours. Every 20 if you're in the ghetto. Here they go off every 5 minutes and along with the explosions that go on here and what not. The C-RAM (our siren for Rockets and Mortar Attacks) has gone off about 6 times since I have been here. There are a lot of attacks to the US Embassy here than Camp Victory itself. Along with that... We are entrusting this entire country to a bunch of contractors and a bunch of Iraqis. It's a good thing and a bad thing. We are giving military equipment to them and training them up on it. When we leave a bunch of stuff goes with us... I.e. the jobs that the locals have. The security that was once here. And to answer your question Rogue. I am here til December. Oh and to you Cairoi. I think that Obama is NOT doing a good job. Personally because he has now named PTSD as the main ticket for being kicked out of the military. This means you do not need medical proof to show that you have PTSD. It's a double edged sword I know, but for those who really have it... I feel for them and I think this is a good idea and for the fuck ups that don't... Bastards need to find something better to do than sit around and collect a paycheck. I mean this new movement gives the disability and everything. |
Cairoi Posts: 9005/3807 |
Originally posted by geeogree I guess I didn't get the not completely serious part across well enough, but I didn't think I'd have people analyzing it. For the record, I think Obama's doing a pretty good job all around and I'd have supported him anyway, mainly because I figure the Republican candidate will probably cater to Tea Party sensibilities (which is only a minority of the party, sure, but they're the ones screaming the loudest) and I don't. |
Xeoman Posts: 8653/11757 |
Yeah I was waiting to hear some input on this from True... damn. |
Elara Posts: 5901/9736 |
Yay, and the rebuild phase begins. Hopefully.
... I don't think they have the booze in South Korea either, not sure on the travel. How much longer do you have until you are out of there, True? |
Rogue Posts: 6191/11918 |
I think what's implied here is that we aren't sending people with the purpose of fighting. The 50,000 who will remain are those who meant to help defend and build. We aren't attacking.
Granted you'll obviously know more than we do about what's going on over there. |
True Flight Posts: 4229/5245 |
I really hate these type of news articles.
NO THE WAR IN IRAQ IS NOT ENDING. We're just making it more expensive. Why? We're putting fucking contractors here instead. and no I'm not leaving Iraq early. *pout* Edit: Oh I forgot to say. Yeah I knew some of the people from that last combat unit in Baghdad. They trained Iraqi Army. So if you paid more attention we are drawing down YES. However... we are not LEAVING. We will not be LEAVING here at all. This place is pretty much going to turn in to Germany or South Korea with out the booze and travel. |
Cteno Posts: 1312/3416 |
Originally posted by geeogree Be afraid, be very afraid, because that most likely makes two! |
geeogree Posts: 244/246 |
"I'll support Obama for reelection on this news alone."
Statements like that scare me. |
Lord Vulkas Mormonus Posts: 3688/4541 |
Two, three years ago, I probably would have disagreed with this, but since I haven't kept up with the news nearly so much recently, I'll agree its probably about time. |
Cairoi Posts: 9003/3807 |
This warms the cockles of my heart. I'll support Obama for reelection on this news alone. |
Kyoku kun Posts: 1224/1329 |
I had no idea that we were even steadily moving towards this. This is such incredible news! |
Cteno Posts: 1311/3416 |
Wow... I didn't think that we were even CLOSE to this yet... I"m happy to say that I approve of this! |
Rogue Posts: 6190/11918 |
I mean, while we've still got Afghanistan on our plate and I'm sure many of these soldiers will probably be sent there, we're done fighting in Iraq.
It's a step toward peace. |
Xeoman Posts: 8651/11757 |
I can ignorantly say I hardly keep up with the news, so this is pretty shocking to hear. And GOOD to hear.
Amen. |
Rogue Posts: 6187/11918 |
Source I'm about to cry. This pretty much means the war in Iraq is over. |