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[quote=Elara]I think that anti-vaxxers are idiots to be perfectly honest. They base all of their "facts" on one article that was proven to be false almost twenty years ago! By not getting their kids vaccinating, not only are they hurting their kids but they are putting others at risk. As you mentioned, some of the kids were too young to get the shots. Others can't do it for medical reasons. There is also a small population that *have* gotten the vaccination but it was not effective (for example, there is also a mumps epidemic going on in the NHL right now, despite the fact that all the players so far to get it have had their vaccination and booster shots).

These people who legitimately cannot get the MMR vaccine or for whom it did not take depend on the herd immunity of the rest of the population to protect them. By being idiots and not vaccinating their children, these parents are weakening the herd immunity and putting many others at risk in addition to their own children... ironic when they are doing it because they claim that they want nothing bad to happen to their precious child. This is selfishness based on bad science and the idiocy of listening to "celebrities" like Jenny McCarthy (who is by no means an expert on medicine, or anything else for that matter, and should not be giving advice on anything)!

Also, total side note... but if you kid has the measles or has been exposed to the measles when you know they have not had the vaccination and could be carrying the disease... WHY would you take them to Disneyland?! What kind of horrible person are you?

Somewhat of a side note, but concerning the concern about the rise in Autism diagnosis:

So... we are still learning about ASD. Part of the reason that the rate of diagnosis has been increasing is because we are getting better at understanding it. The reason that it is called Autism Spectrum Disorder is because it presents on a spectrum... there is no one specific presentation of the disorder and until recently we thought it was several different disorders. Some people before who were autistic were misdiagnosed with things like anxiety disorder, ADHD, OCD, and other acronym conditions.

It is not a fun condition to deal with, I admit that. But the thing that pisses me off more than anything about these anti-vaxxers is that in their minds they have decided that the possibility of their child DYING from a deadly disease is preferable to the (erroneous) idea that a vaccine <i>might</i> cause their kid to have ASD. They would rather their kids risk death and disfigurement than deal with the chance that they would have to work harder as a parent to raise their kid. That disgusts me. And the fact that they are wrong, that there is a mountain of evidence to prove that vaccines have NOTHING to do with autism, and we have known this for two decades... yet they chose to ignore this and to put others at risk... it is just infuriating.

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Xeoman Posts: 10692/11757	Originally posted by Rogue there's been a rise in diseases the world over. Story of the world right now!
Rogue Posts: 10563/11918	Originally posted by Elara So... we are still learning about ASD. Part of the reason that the rate of diagnosis has been increasing is because we are getting better at understanding it. The reason that it is called Autism Spectrum Disorder is because it presents on a spectrum... there is no one specific presentation of the disorder and until recently we thought it was several different disorders. Some people before who were autistic were misdiagnosed with things like anxiety disorder, ADHD, OCD, and other acronym conditions. It is not a fun condition to deal with, I admit that. But the thing that pisses me off more than anything about these anti-vaxxers is that in their minds they have decided that the possibility of their child DYING from a deadly disease is preferable to the (erroneous) idea that a vaccine might cause their kid to have ASD. They would rather their kids risk death and disfigurement than deal with the chance that they would have to work harder as a parent to raise their kid. That disgusts me. And the fact that they are wrong, that there is a mountain of evidence to prove that vaccines have NOTHING to do with autism, and we have known this for two decades... yet they chose to ignore this and to put others at risk... it is just infuriating. And being a person who works with MANY different people who have been diagnosed with autism, I can back you up in saying it doesn't present itself the same way in everyone who has it. Most of the adults I encounter in my day-to-day work at the inclusion center have it paired with other developmental disabilities (intellectual disabilities, Down syndrome, cerebal palsy, etc) and of course there's the spectrum you mentioned. I agree, this really just makes the anti-vaxxers look like jackasses who hate a group of people they don't understand, who can be just as higher functioning as the rest of us with thoughts and feelings, so much so that they fear it'll happen to their babies. It's part of the reason why most people in my business HATE Autism Speaks and all those other "charities," because they're really just demonizing the disability, calling it a disease, putting out ads with the sentiment of "Don't let this awful thing happen to your kids! Give us money!" It's like saying people with autism are doomed, as though they're damaged goods, and you should donate for research to help prevent it rather than teach acceptance or doing anything to benefit those who already have it. The only sense that I understand in being fearful for having a child with developmental disabilities is if you're worried about what's going to happen to them when you pass away. Those with a developmental disability tend to have a shorter lifespan than the average person (which is why we're all impressed with this one older gentleman we have who's in good health and pushing 73), and many of the group homes we deal with are frightening, to say the least. But yes, back to vaccinations... Penn and Teller put it best.
Elara Posts: 8967/9736	I think that anti-vaxxers are idiots to be perfectly honest. They base all of their "facts" on one article that was proven to be false almost twenty years ago! By not getting their kids vaccinating, not only are they hurting their kids but they are putting others at risk. As you mentioned, some of the kids were too young to get the shots. Others can't do it for medical reasons. There is also a small population that have gotten the vaccination but it was not effective (for example, there is also a mumps epidemic going on in the NHL right now, despite the fact that all the players so far to get it have had their vaccination and booster shots). These people who legitimately cannot get the MMR vaccine or for whom it did not take depend on the herd immunity of the rest of the population to protect them. By being idiots and not vaccinating their children, these parents are weakening the herd immunity and putting many others at risk in addition to their own children... ironic when they are doing it because they claim that they want nothing bad to happen to their precious child. This is selfishness based on bad science and the idiocy of listening to "celebrities" like Jenny McCarthy (who is by no means an expert on medicine, or anything else for that matter, and should not be giving advice on anything)! Also, total side note... but if you kid has the measles or has been exposed to the measles when you know they have not had the vaccination and could be carrying the disease... WHY would you take them to Disneyland?! What kind of horrible person are you? Somewhat of a side note, but concerning the concern about the rise in Autism diagnosis: So... we are still learning about ASD. Part of the reason that the rate of diagnosis has been increasing is because we are getting better at understanding it. The reason that it is called Autism Spectrum Disorder is because it presents on a spectrum... there is no one specific presentation of the disorder and until recently we thought it was several different disorders. Some people before who were autistic were misdiagnosed with things like anxiety disorder, ADHD, OCD, and other acronym conditions. It is not a fun condition to deal with, I admit that. But the thing that pisses me off more than anything about these anti-vaxxers is that in their minds they have decided that the possibility of their child DYING from a deadly disease is preferable to the (erroneous) idea that a vaccine might cause their kid to have ASD. They would rather their kids risk death and disfigurement than deal with the chance that they would have to work harder as a parent to raise their kid. That disgusts me. And the fact that they are wrong, that there is a mountain of evidence to prove that vaccines have NOTHING to do with autism, and we have known this for two decades... yet they chose to ignore this and to put others at risk... it is just infuriating.
Rogue Posts: 10560/11918	So a lot of people have gotten sick with measles in these past couple weeks, originating from a bunch of non-vaccinated kids getting it while at Disneyland. Most people are immunized against measles/mumps/rubella and many other things, but due to the rise in anti-vaxxers claiming vaccinations cause autism (they say it's 1 in every 120 people, or something. The number frequently changes, and the CDC doesn't just glibbly state ratios like that) there's been a rise in diseases the world over. Anyway, what are your thoughts on this? In all honesty, I don't care. I really, really don't, but it gets mentioned on NPR every single morning and evenings when I'm on my way to and from work. Granted, some of the cases are in children too young to be immunized (and it's a goddamn shame in those cases), but this is Darwinism in action.

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