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| Pockets Posts: 591/838 |
Very good points V. I like the way you think and agree with a lot of what you said.
Makura and I will manage to get through all this eventually. It's going to be very painful and difficult but we'll be able to do it and in the end we're going to spend our lives together no matter what anyone else says. I just wish there was something I could do to make the whole situation easier or get resolved faster. |
| AlpoRaggins Posts: 669/793 |
Nobody other than the lovers has the right to say whether the two are in love or not. I'm not gonna take a stance, I'm just saying that from experience I have learned that if two people say they love eachother, it is wrong, not to mention bitter sounding, to say they are not. There is no possible way to tell if two people are completely "in love"; if they both agree they love eachother, then they are in love, and nobody at all has the right to say otherwise. A person who buys a prostitute is "in lust". Two drunks getting it on are "in lust". A couple, who have known eachother and been around eachother and know the other is capable of being trusted with the other's love are "in love."
You guys are in love and it should stay that way. Love is strong! Stronger than laws or hate. Everybody defines their own love, and you should let NOBODY define it for you, you know what I mean? Even the helpful, non-hurtful advice, the advice with good intentions, it all shouldn't be followed unless you wholeheartedly agree with it. I mean... I guess this is some advice too, so I guess I'm technically telling you not to follow my advice... augh, paradox, or whatever. But you know... at least think about it. |
| Elara Posts: 3043/9736 |
I know more than most that are posting here about the situation, and I can understand Pockets's anger at her parents... I would be, too.
I have to say that, once again, Rogue pretty much said it all. I don't think the cops even care really since it's been nearly a month and they haven't contacted you at all. It's going to be a hard couple of years for you two, but both of you are strong willed and I know that you will make it through. |
| Makura Posts: 919/1555 |
The truth is. I even questioned my maturity in the situation. Knowing full and well that most my age are not ready to make that decision. It honestly twists my stomach into knots even fathoming the fact that our relationship was strictly physical. Pockets and i knew one another for a year and a half before we ever admitted feelings for eachother because of fear. Fear of losing the relationship we had and fear of hurting on another. |
| Bitmap Posts: 2563/7838 |
Originally posted by Rogue I dated a mother when I was 17... My experience with that was nothing along the matters of Lust or anything...Somehow we both understood each other... Love to me was something to cherish and share with one another. That 26 year-old woman I did love very much...And I love'd her son Julian, who was quite the bad boy... But thats the thing, I met her at an age when I was "Almost" legal...and I was the male in this situation...So does that make me, or Katheryn the bad guy? I mean, its not like she fell in love with me when I was 12 or anything... I kinda wanted to point that out after what Rogue said about "Love having no bounderies"... |
| Rogue Posts: 1590/11918 |
Cairoi, I join you in your quest.
Pockets, honey, you put your personal situation up for debate. There was bound to be an extreme view opposing your own somewhere down the line. I hate to say grin and bear it, as yes, this is a reality for you and Makura, but it's a debate and you are an interested party. Kaijin, my brother in arms, I know you feel strongly about MANY things and you can proudly put your foot down on an issue and call yourself the board's hardass admin, but it is probably best if you left your opinion on the issue rather than the couple themselves. They are already facing a personal turmoil, that one could argue they brought upon themselves, and they have to deal with the consequences head-on. What they have done was of their own free will. Pockets didn't trick Makura into having sex with him, nor her he. Love, lust, dumb luck, it's their lives. I'm not asking you to walk on egg shells and deny your strong opinion which you give so freely, saints bless it, but leave out the "'Well I love her!' No. You don't." Now for my opinion on the issue... (as though anyone would care) I was sexually-active before I was of legal age. I hadn't actually had any form of penetration until I was 18, but for lack of any details, my boyfriend (of 4 years) was doing things to me that he could have been put away for. Partaking even in touching can be an intense emotional thing to do for a girl. It's sharing yourself with someone else and giving of yourself. To be rejected after giving yourself emotionally, spiritually, and physically to another can be devastating. It's one of many reasons why I don't think most minors should be partaking in it. At 15, most girls don't have the rationality to divorce the physical from the emotional. Thus they think that by throwing themselves upon others that their affection is returned by the other taking what is offered. As one who has separated sex from love and love and sex from marriage, I feel that if one can learn to give without regret, even in the face of rejection, then he or she is old enough to understand what they are doing. This isn't to say that you have my blessing to sleep with anyone you see fit, for I still save myself for only those I feel are worthy. This is to say that it's entirely possible for one not recognized by the law as mature or ready to make wise decisions. Love does exist at 15, but it takes years to understand it. You have to have been burned and kicked around in your years to divine true love. The human heart is a miracle of foolery and angst, ain't it? What's done is done. You don't regret what has happened and it's best not to. As for age difference, I've dated 30-something-year-old men when I was 18. Love knows no bounds, though I can honestly say that I did not love those men. 
Do I regret my sins? Nay, sir. They can throw me to Hell and I'll dance with devil as the day is long (for I hear days in Hell last weeks.. my shoes would be filled with blood). |
| Cairoi Posts: 1291/3807 |
Alright, Pockets and Kaijin, I know you're trying to state your opinion, but that flare right there gave me the shivers. Kaijin, you can say you disagree, but you seemed like you were insulting them, ie flaming.
Look, I'm a little caught in the cross hair here. I believe the law should stay intact, yes, BUT I believe there should be an additon to the law that requires a physicological examination of the minor to prove she can take care of herself. Because that way a dedicated specialist can decide whether or not she's mentally ready for a relationship with an older man. But, guys, please don't have sex. Have it once your married, but there are better ways to express feelings then intercourse. It was never originally romantic, it was about making babies. I wouldn't know though in all entity, because I'm a 14 year old virgin who's never been in a serious relationship. ^.^ Alright guys, even being the LM I am, I'm keeping a close eye on this thread. Please no more outbursts. By the way, I hope this situation resolves itself in your favor, you guys. You're both intelligent enough to make these decisions. -Cairoi |
| Jin Posts: 483/546 |
Don't worry Sajin, even the Mr. Liberal that I am agrees with Kaijin.. strongly. |
| Bitmap Posts: 2553/7838 |
Originally posted by Pockets I just hope ther are no hard feelings between us about me agreeing with Kaijin... Originally posted by Balial Hmm...:: Shrugs :: Maybe I do? Maybe I dont...I really dont want my personal affairs involved in this type of arguement...But its not my style to use Sex to strengthin a relationship... I can go on with this, but I dont feel like arguing...No hard feelings to anybody I might have pissed off....It was just my personal Motive... Edit- An Added note I dont need Sex to strengthin my relationship with any girl! Thats just how Bad-ass I am when it comes down to it... |
| Makura Posts: 917/1555 |
I just want to say one thing. If three years from now Pockets and I are married and plan on spending the rest of our lives together would that still make things that we did wrong? By law...yes..but by a viewpoint of you only have sex with one person your entire life...no. There are more married people out there that have had more partners than Pockets and I put together. There are exceptions for every situation. I don't have to prove myself to you guys and neither does he. You feel the way you do for a reason and I'm not saying it's wrong. Love is love and what two people do to show it is their business. There was nothing predatorial about this. It is simply love. And if people don't believe that then that is on them. |
| Pockets Posts: 578/838 |
Kaijin I'm very tempted to call you a fucking moron and a stupid piece of shit.
You're judging me personally which is some fucked up shit and you're really starting to piss me off. I had a daughter Kaijin, so don't EVER fucking talk to me about how I would act about MY FUCKING FAMILY. I'm not pissed at the parents for being mad at me. I'm pissed about the fact that they're so singlemindedly trying to get me that they don't give a shit how much THEY are hurting HER. Can you read my mind? Can you read my soul? No, so don't think you can tell me if I love her or don't love her. We met around two years ago, we both liked each other, not in a sibling way. She was too young for me though and I didn't know if she liked me so I settled on being a supportive person for her, like a big brother. It took us both a year and a half and a lot of emotional shit to get our acts together and admit how we felt about each other. I would die for her. Hell, I would kill to protect her if I had to. There are only two people in the world I would honestly kill to protect. My daughter, who is dead. And Makura. Do not think you can beat me over the head with her age. I'm well aware of how old she is. I'm well aware we should have waited till she was 18. I'm well a-fucking-ware that we didn't make the best of decisions where that is concerned. I'm not even going to dignify the rest of your bullshit with a response. Sajin. The "Test" that Makura mentioned wasn't something we did intentionally. She and I have decided to look at the fact that we're not going to get to see each other, probably at all for the next two and a half years or so as a test. We're sure we can get through that separation and our relationship will be the better for it, despite the fact that it's going to be very hard. |
| geeogree Posts: 167/246 |
I agree with you Belial... but at the same time.... my wife and I don't need sex to feel close, or in love...
I honestly find that I look more lovingly at her at times that aren't during sex. I find there are other things she does that make me love her more than the fact that she will have sex with me  .
That's not to say that because sex isn't the ultimate act of love that we don't do it. That's just silly . I agree with Sajin that sex is not the most important part of a relationship. It's definitely a fun part of it and it should be had when both sides are ready (and both old enough to actually handle the consequences). And honestly.... I don't think -anyone- is ready at 15 to deal with all the consequences of having sex. A lot of people at 20 aren't ready to deal with the consequences of having sex. |
| Belial Posts: 183/647 |
I have to disagree with what has just been said. Sex has a lot to do with a relationship. It stimulates emotions you can't get doing something else. It is THE intimiate act of love. The two are joined in body and spirit at the same time. Don't think too literally about sex. You, apparently, have never experienced what it is like to have a full relationship. |
| Bitmap Posts: 2550/7838 |
Just for the record
I agreed whole hardly with Kaijin on just about everything he said. But keep in mind that im not really against youse guys on what you did...thats not any of my buisness to spill out to you. But, in my standards, I believe Sex is NOT the most important part of a relationship...And if people tell you that it helps build a relationship, that is total fucking bullshit...Thats Lust Back with the subject on Pockets and Makura...This "Test" you two went through is something you shouldent Test about...you are asking the Law to come in between you two...really in all honesty, thats kinda retarded...However I do like the motivation that you stated saying "Were gonna get through this"... |
| Kaijin Surohm Posts: 1089/1852 |
I can't believe half the SHIT I just read o.O
After reading over the story, and collecting the information from reading between the lines, I gather that you two went behind your parents backs on the entire issue. Hell, who can blame you? You both knew the conequenses and what they would say, so you took the chance. Now then, heres what completely bothers me: (multiple things) Your pissed at the parents Guess what? you have no right to be. You both went off and LIED to them, went behind their backs, and fooled around. I don't care what BS you try to feed anyone else, if you found out your 15 yo daughter was doing that, you'd be livied, and guess what, you'd have his ass thrown in jail right now. And don't feed me some bullshit telling me otherwise. Maturity and Love? Don't even sit there and say "Well I love her!" No. You don't. And the rest of you, shut up for a minute while I get this started: Heres how I know you DON'T: You both grew up knowing one another as Brother and Sister. Correct me if I'm wrong on that part. Now then. What I believe is that you only see that as a Sibling connection for one another, but you both managed to screw that one up by confusing it with what it really is. It's not love, people, its a confused bond two people whom though of one another as Brother And Sister. You sit there and tell me you LOVE her? Dude, you need help. If you seriously loved her, you would NOT of gone out and slept with her. SHE'S FIFTEEN! 15 Thats One-Five. Seven YEARS younger then you! Where the hell do you get your logic dude?! She's just a child. No, you don't know what love is when yoru 15. Don't tell me that otherwise. If you TRUELY loved her, you would have waited till you two were married, not gone off and lied to yoru parents and went at it by now. If you truely cared for her, sex is not an act you two would have gone and done. I repeat, you would NOT of done that if you loved her. The religious people have a name for that: LUST See teh diffrence? LUST is when you wish to be intement with someone. LOVE is when you will give a life and limb for them and would do all you can to make sure they are mentally ready (After yoru MARRIED) to do such a thing. Sure there's execptions, but 99% of them are after the legal age of 18 Now then, for my opinion? Yes, you should be locked up. I just gave you my reasons. |
| Belial Posts: 181/647 |
You guys were talking about a 15 years old's body not being -mature- enough? Technically, I could have had sex when I was 12. So long as a girl has hit puberty, she's phhysically mature enough. Mentally is another story. It's almost as if it's the parents were the ones who weren't emotionally ready.
All that there is left to say is that what's done is done, all you can do is wait. |
| Bitmap Posts: 2545/7838 |
Well its good to see that you two are motivated for each other. As long as you keep that motivation, im sure when you meet each other once again at Makura's talking age, the love between you two will be stronger than ever before...
You know this is kinda like a Romeo and Juliet scene...cept instead of families, its the Age difference beliefs >.< ;;; |
| Pockets Posts: 577/838 |
I agree with her. We're not going to be able to see or contact each other much
until she's 18. That really sucks. But it gives us both an opportunity to focus on getting our lives in order and we've both got plenty to do to keep us occupied. Makura has been bending over backwards to keep the trouble I'm going to get into to a minimum. And from our situation I can imagine that things could probably go fairly well. Much better than I have any right to hope really but there it is. |
| Makura Posts: 912/1555 |
I can't lie. Not only because it's too late to lie. Pockets met my mom..she knew it was him. And..I just can't lie anymore. Pockets and I both agree that it's merely a test for us both and we're gonna get through it.
I don't want to turn this into a sunset thread...I'm debating your advice (not in a rude way) |
| Bitmap Posts: 2542/7838 |
I know this is going to sound stupid, but say it wasnt him, and "Pretend" that you cheated on Pockets....
Its going to sound like you are a whore...but at least youll be protecting pockets.... |
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