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***Some Minor spoilers here***


So I went in there(The theater) with almost zero expectations, and a hardcore craving for popcorn... I came out disappointed and angry. I've always had it as a rule of thumb that a sequel will suck if you just watch the trailer, didn't like the looks of it, and have watched the previous films. I was getting tired of the second one even, but this bastardization of an easy to watch action film has gone way to far for several reasons. Firstly, the acting was terrible, forced lines all around... I couldn't stand how bad the timing was for some responses. The plot was ridiculously convenient:
"Looks like we're screwed guys"
"Just wait" *Blows a whistle*
"Yetis!! =D!!!"
That was one of the more "what the f***" moments when it came to plot, because before that moment, they weren't even mentioned, and they weren't even given a thought 20 minutes after they showed up. But guess who carried the stretcher that O'Connell was in? Yeah. The romantic chemistry was just as bad in that it made little or no sense, especially in the case of Alex and Zi. Another thing I realized I was really sick and tired of was Brendan Fraser's expression he does were he screws up his face really weird and goes like "OhhrerRowAAAAaa?!". What the hell is up with that and why does he have to do that every time the plot has a twist? I'm positive he doesn't have any fans who go there just so they can see him contort his face and yell, so why put it in his script thirty times? It reminds me way to much of Tim "The Toolman" Allen on tool time. That said, I did a little research, and their history is fairly sound, which they then tore to pieces by having the terracotta army discovered in 1947 instead of 1974, and a few other out of timeline mishaps(Apparently the Emperor was pure evil, and never planned on uniting china for the purpose of prosperity, but instead to become a slaver of millions). I guess it was okay at some points, with the larger battles, and a bit of comic-relief guy(Jonathan) humour to keep me from killing the guy two seats behind me who was snoring a little(This is true, and also the first time i've ever seen that happen). Now I'll be the first to say I'm not an experienced movie-goer, but this did not impress me the least. The were trying to pass the reigns to the younger new generation of mummy slayer so Brendan Fraser can go crawl under a rock, but they did a terrible job of it.
Xeoman
Posts: 7508/11757
I saw the trailer and all I could say was "How the hell is that The Mummy?"

I'm not going to neglect it just yet, but it just looked ... very un-Mummy-ish, or something.
Rogue
Posts: 4520/11918
Originally posted by Nagis
"The Mummy 3: These movies will not go away".

Seriously. Cmon..

There's a Scorpion King 2 on the horizon. *cough cough Link cough*
Bitmap
Posts: 5827/7838
When I saw this trailer, I closed my eyes and ears and cried:

"The Mummy 3: These movies will not go away".

Seriously. Cmon..
Rogue
Posts: 4516/11918
You know it's bad when those guys ACTUALLY writing negative reviews.

Seems like Harry Knowles and Co. tend to write mostly positive critiques to secure their free swag and exclusives from the production companies they shamelessly go to bed with day in and day out.
FX
Posts: 3380/3775
This may be the most brutal review I have ever read.

Originally posted by Aint it Cool News
Hola all. Massawyrm here.
Not since the summer of ’82 have we had a season so spectacularly awesome, so distinctly geeky, as what we’ve just finished going through. 12 solid weeks of ass kicking science fiction/fantasy/animated/super hero badassery that has left even the pickiest and most effete among you happy with at least a handful of films. Name another summer that even comes close. ‘99. MAYBE. No, it’s been an incredible year for us.

Now, the reason I bring this up is that in any other summer, most critics would give The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor a pass. Sure they’d complain about the acting, the story, the shameless pandering to the “dumb American audience.” But then they would verbally shrug, acknowledge the very same “dumb American audience” this was made for and say “Yeah, but it’s not that bad for a summer movie.” That is, they would say that in any other summer. But not this year. Not this summer. Not after seeing 3 straight months of intelligently written, well constructed LOUD, ACTION PACKED THRILLS, CHILLS AND LAUGHS. Not after one of the smartest, darkest movies of the year has broken record after record on its way to possibly challenge Titanic for its top spot as the highest grossing movie ever made. After that summer, this looks distinctly like what it is.

Shit. Unmitigated, inexcusable shit. I can’t remember the last time I looked around and saw so many critics positively mortified to be watching what they were watching. We were embarrassed to be in that theater. It is a humbling, humiliating experience that will take anyone who bitched about nuked fridges and swinging monkeys and show them just how much Spielberg and Lucas actually got right. When you see kung fu yetis high five one another and celebrate touchdown kicks, your jaw will drop to the floor. It is not funny. It is not exciting. It is two solid hours of explosive boredom, with a loud driving soundtrack to serve as a constant reminder of how much fun you’re supposed to be having. It’s rather like leaving a party at a club because you think the DJ is kinda lame, only to end up at someone’s Bar Mitzvah. I mean, you just saw this movie three months ago. Only much, MUCH better.

The biggest problem here is that Stephen Sommers has spent his career aping Spielberg – which is fine. Spielberg is kind of where you’re supposed to aim when making something as derivative of his material as this is. But Rob Cohen, who took over the reins on this one, isn’t in any way aping Spielberg. He’s aping Sommers. And you can see that on every frame of this movie. It’s not even a Stephen Sommers movie for chrissakes. It’s a facsimile of one. And Cohen suffers from a serious flaw – he tends to make lowbrow material and hires great charismatic actors to (hopefully) elevate the material. But here he’s saddled with a previous cast, none of whom have the ability to elevate this at all. So it’s a Rob Cohen impression of a Stephen Sommers film with only a fraction of the usual talent.

Yeah.

In fact, one of the biggest detriments to this film for the film literate is the casting of Jet Li and Michelle Yeoh. The film opens telling the story of China’s first emperor, a great conqueror who set his sights on ruling all of China. And it takes only a few seconds to realize “Wait a second. I SAW this movie. It was called Hero. And you were there, and you were there…and…and hey wait. Why is the Emperor the bad guy? Why aren’t the sets half as lavish for a film with a much bigger budget? What the..what the fuck are they doing to such an awesome story?” The movie immediately veers off the tracks. And man does it take the ugly American approach to the story. You see, the Emperor didn’t dream of uniting China and bringing peace to the warring nations. No. He was a tyrannical enemy of…...wait for it…...FREEDOM.

Oh fuck me.

Had the movie that followed in any way entertained, the distinctly Amerocentric attitude could be excused for the sake of storytelling. But it didn’t. The characters are drawn in by the thinnest of threads that don’t seem to make sense even while watching it, let alone in retrospect. The attempts at humor are gawd awful, the romantic angles forced despite an utter lack of chemistry and every scene seems like an excuse to set up an unimpressive stunt of some sort. This thing is an utter waste of time lacking a single payoff. But for a summer movie it commits the worst crime of all. Not stupidity, not implausibility. It’s just fucking boring. All the other problems are secondary to this. I could complain about the dialog or the performances or the cheesy effects all day, but when it comes down to it, it’s just duller than watching shit harden. Sure, the last two weren’t exactly enduring classics, but at least they were fun while you watched them.

Until next time friends, smoke ‘em if ya got ‘em.
Massawyrm


Ow.
NUCKLEARKNIGHT
Posts: 555/577
Originally posted by Rogue
I didn't say because it's a sequel it's automatically going to suck, BUT to touch on a certain point, there is a pattern of bad sequels that come out.

The Matrix, for example. Now, while I'm a big fan of the trilogy, I do agree that the sequels weren't exactly up to scratch with the original and in the long-run may not have needed to be made.

Other examples I can think of off the top of my head:

The Lost World and JP3.

Jaws 2.

Battle for Planet of the Apes.

Speed 2.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3.

Free Willy 2 & 3, Pirates of the Caribbean 2: Dead Man's Chest, 2 Fast 2 Furious, Elektra, and all the Bring It On sequels.


I liked JP3. Although JP2 sucked. Also I liked the third matrix the best probably. I don't know I guess I like fight scenes that are huge. I'm talking about the machine ones not the Neo and Smith ones.
Rogue
Posts: 4371/11918
I didn't say because it's a sequel it's automatically going to suck, BUT to touch on a certain point, there is a pattern of bad sequels that come out.

The Matrix, for example. Now, while I'm a big fan of the trilogy, I do agree that the sequels weren't exactly up to scratch with the original and in the long-run may not have needed to be made.

Other examples I can think of off the top of my head:

The Lost World and JP3.

Jaws 2.

Battle for Planet of the Apes.

Speed 2.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3.

Free Willy 2 & 3, Pirates of the Caribbean 2: Dead Man's Chest, 2 Fast 2 Furious, Elektra, and all the Bring It On sequels.

Every other Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, Halloween, Scream, I Know What You Did Last Summer, Urban Legends, Blair Witch Project, Scary Movie, Rocky, and most of the Disney movie sequels (including Honey, I Shrunk the Kids).

Along with the occasional Star Trek movie, i.e. The Final Frontier.

And then when you shift actors around due to their refusing to come back and/or they're dead:
- Viva Rock Vegas
- Grease 2
- The Next Karate Kid
- Staying Alive
- Dirty Dancing: Havana Nights
- Blues Brothers 2000
- Caddyshack 2

Then you get trilogies where the second movie wasn't bad, in fact it even surpassed its original--but then there's that painful third or fourth movie:
- Terminator
- The Godfather
- X-Men
- Spider-Man
- Batman (that steady decline from the first movie directed by Tim Burton down toward Batman and Robin)
- American Pie (2 was pretty decent, Wedding was crap)
- And recently added to the list Indiana Jones (While I enjoyed Kingdom, it definitely brings down the standard of those movies).

Hell, The Mummy Returns and the spin-off The Scorpion King, weren't exactly batting it out of the park either, but they were still enjoyable to watch.


And yes, there are some great sequels out there, which can be proven by the fact that we have power-trilogies like Star Wars and Lord of the Rings, and hell, even Evil Dead.


But seriously, when it comes to sequels there's so much shit out there you can't help but tread cautiously when it comes to seeing the second, third, or fourth installment these days.

I mean, if you're paying $10 to see a movie these days, you want it to be worth your while, right?


I'm not knocking on this upcoming third Mummy movie at all when I say as an "action movie sequel" it's designed to be "fun to look at." Action movies aren't exactly well-noted for dialogue and story content.

And whether or not you gentlemen were regarding my comment, I'm just clarifying.


Anyway, I'll probably see this in the theater since I saw all of the Mummy movies in their first week. Yep.
NUCKLEARKNIGHT
Posts: 552/577
Originally posted by FX
I don't see why everyone is assuming it's going to be bad just because it's a sequel, although there are still chances of suckage people don't need to go "oh, it's a sequel, it'll suck"


Seems like people do that a lot... I know I've though movies weren't going to be good just because they were sequels. Although there are some movies that I wanted to have sequels. Like the Saw movies. Great sequels that I always though would be better than the previous one. And they were.
FX
Posts: 3306/3775
Originally posted by NUCKLEARKNIGHT
I remember watching the first one when I was younger and it scared me to death.


I was afraid to watch it because I thought it would be scary.
...
I was also afraid of ET...

I don't see why everyone is assuming it's going to be bad just because it's a sequel, although there are still chances of suckage people don't need to go "oh, it's a sequel, it'll suck"

Also, was there a need to state that it was from the producers of the Mummy and the Mummy Returns in the trailer?
NUCKLEARKNIGHT
Posts: 551/577
Yeah I think I might feel a little off watching it without Rachel in it but whatever. Looks like it's worth watching. Corny lines by Brendan Frasier, special effects galore, and of course mummies.

I remember watching the first one when I was younger and it scared me to death. Now these movies are just like adventure movies that are just fun to watch.
Rogue
Posts: 4367/11918
It's funny how they figured the Terracotta warriors of Xi'an into it since a few of them are on display at the Bowers in Santa Ana.

Anyway, barring that, this actually looks like it'll be fun to watch.

I mean, I'd prefer they brought back Rachel, but hey whatever. It's an action movie sequel. It's just meant to be fun to look at.
Shuyin
Posts: 1687/1858
Apparently they dropped the number.



When I heard of this movie, it made me go "ugh". That is until I saw Jet Li and Michelle Yeoh. First I get a movie with Jet Li and Jackie Chan fighing. Now I get one where he fights Michelle Yeoh. Win! (This movie could quite possibly suck, but that's irrelevant.)
FX
Posts: 3250/3775
Originally posted by Nephitaem
i think they're just out to make money,

No, they're doing it because they have a good time making it _?
Nephitaem
Posts: 27/35
why do people keep making unneeded sequals? the story ended with the mummy returns why do we need another story about breden fraser killing undead?

i think they're just out to make money, so this will probably for the same way as all the other lame sequals that were made jsut for money.
FX
Posts: 3228/3775
Really, as long as we have Brendan Frasier, we're fine, cause he made those movies.
Lord Vulkas Mormonus
Posts: 2919/4541
It sounds like a different style of movie, but with Jet Li as a martial arts mummy? Who would actually say no?

It sounds like it could be good, but I do think that it's too bad theat Rachel Weisz left the movie.
Elara
Posts: 4763/9736
So... Chinese mummy now? Odd.
Rogue
Posts: 4121/11918
BUMPED!

Just trying to keep these things together.

Found a blog that's keeping track of the reported progress of the third Mummy movie:
http://mummy-3-trailer.blogspot.com/

Turns out the story's taking place in China this time around. Not bad, it could work HOWEVER the actors playing Evelyn and Alex are different. No Rachel Weisz.

The title they've chosen, sans numbers, is The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor and will feature Jet Li and Michelle Yeoh.
Elara
Posts: 3633/9736
Tiny comment on Disney sequels is the truest thing I have ever read. Especially on the animated movies.

Anywho, why are they even bothering to make a third Mummy? I really think that the ship has sailed on that one after the Scorpion King. Of course, it would be interesting to see how they bring Imhotep back this time.
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