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Kaijin Surohm Living the dream          Since: 08-16-04 Since last post: 1713 days Last activity: 900 days |
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| Here and an article that will interest you
If this bill passes, just mearly THINKING against the government will consider you a terrorist. (Last edited by Kaijin Surohm on 12-05-07 03:32 AM) |
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt  Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4593 days Last activity: 4587 days |
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| What a wonderful myspace page you have there kaijin
Non-myspace I think (Last edited by Nagis on 12-05-07 03:32 AM) |
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Kaijin Surohm Living the dream Since: 08-16-04 Since last post: 1713 days Last activity: 900 days |
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| >cough<
Sorry, originally had it on Myspace. Link is fixed >.> |
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4593 days Last activity: 4587 days |
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| Anyways...
I bet our founding fathers would be shitting themselves in their grave right now. |
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Fennicy Fox of all Foxes Since: 06-13-07 From: Washington Since last post: 6138 days Last activity: 6143 days |
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| *cough* I think I'll move to Japan now. | |||
Xeoman Ball and Chain Trooper Administrator  Since: 08-14-04 From: 255 Since last post: 124 days Last activity: 112 days |
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| Fuck the Government.
... Uh oh. But seriously, this is insanely dumb. I don't even know what to say. Politics are worthless. |
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4593 days Last activity: 4587 days |
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Originally posted by Fennicy Fuck that, Im moving to the moon. |
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Kaijin Surohm Living the dream Since: 08-16-04 Since last post: 1713 days Last activity: 900 days |
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| But the government already conquered the moon >.>
I'm going back to my own little dimension. >.> |
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4593 days Last activity: 4587 days |
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Originally posted by Kaijin Surohm Careful my friend. I think they have that too. They already took take over imagination land. |
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天国JOE ���A�ǂ��ɂȂ�̂���낤�H Since: 09-02-04 From: Destroy Tower Since last post: 4061 days Last activity: 3426 days |
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| The American Government is full of dipshits.
There, they'll have to wage war on Canada to get at me. 
...oh, crap. |
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Logos Again? Banned  Since: 07-24-06 Since last post: 6141 days Last activity: 6231 days |
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Originally posted by Nagis Only at the liberties enjoyed by peoples who wouldn't have had them at that time. |
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Kyoku kun Phan Phan Where in the world in Aurora the Explora? Currently California!  Since: 06-19-06 From: Northern California Since last post: 4806 days Last activity: 4433 days |
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Originally posted by Fennicy See you there! EDIT: The color bugs me.. *layout n00b and has no idea how to fix* (Last edited by Kyoku kun on 12-05-07 05:36 AM) |
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4593 days Last activity: 4587 days |
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Originally posted by Intergalactic Cybot G Yeah you are fucked my friend. Canada is MERGING with us. Enjoy our AIDS (Last edited by Nagis on 12-05-07 05:52 AM) |
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Lord Vulkas Mormonus Vile High Xeodent of Xeomerica.  Since: 10-29-04 From: North Carolina, United States. World, Sol System, milky way Since last post: 130 days Last activity: 130 days |
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| Alright, I honestly CANNOT resist taking the side that everyone so far is against....yet again.
Now,t here is one part of this article that matters. ONLY one part. This part:
Everything else in the article is speculation. No facts, jsut a general idea that some guy thinks it means. note that the word the statement uses is FORCE. FORCE That means saying, "I'm going to go beat up these guys and FORCE them to in my social ideals. I'm going to FORCE someone to be a republican. I'm going to FORCE somone to be my religion. Force means the other guy doesn't have a choice. All this is doing is reinforcing the freedom of belief part, which I'll note, is also a part of the constitution. You can say whatever you want about things, so long as you don't FORCE them to believe. If they still have choice, it's legal. 
Everything else in the article is speculation for the left wing anti-Bush conspiracies. |
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Kaijin Surohm Living the dream Since: 08-16-04 Since last post: 1713 days Last activity: 900 days |
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| Vulkar, I won't make this into a debate, but I thought I should shed my sight on this as well as what you did, so that way people can take in what they want, and make their own decisions =P For the record, I'm pro bush (not going to argue as to why) and I like the idea of the government putting their foot down, but goddamn.
I can understand what you mean by FORCE, but the problem is, I know how people work. If this bill passes, it will be yet again, another form of a weapon people can use against their own humanity. Just as that article had stated, mearly stopping someone in the street to talk can be considered as using FORCE. That's the problem with this, and I know where it will eventually lead. While the idea of FORCE being manipulated into using nothing more then Brute FORCE may sound appealing, and sounds like a failsafe, really, but I know how it will turn out. Saying it's Brute FORCE will only cause people to feel safe about the idea of this bill passing, only until they realized their in too deep. That's when people will have to be mindful of what they say for fear that they will be thrown in jail for being a terrorist. Force is a everything. Walking is a force, talking is a force, FORCE in general is too generic of a term to assume its just "Brute Force". Here is an easy example of what I'm talking about. Jehovah Witness. I'm sure theres little need for elaboration. But for a more complicated example: Typing on a blog would be considered Force. It takes human force to press a key in, and it takes force to endure the long moments it takes to fully type out something in length. The government knows that one of the best sources of information comes from someone who can write. Words are a powerful weapon, because their not like our memory, words don't falter. If you write something down, it's there until you erase it, so you can always go back to that same paper and re-read what was written. Weather those words are true or not are a different matter. Just because of that, Message Boards, MySpace, LiveJournal, and every other source of user written sources would either be destroyed or HEAVILY watched. It would make you nervous to even go online for fear that "Big Brother" might be watching you. But on a lighter side: On top of that, but you would have to consider "Soccer Mom" the one FORCE in the world that is hell bent on your destruction. If she even hears you breath something negative, she could use that as her weapon to turn you into a terrorist. =P |
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True Flight The One Since: 08-21-04 Since last post: 136 days Last activity: 136 days |
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Originally posted by Kyoku kunOriginally posted by Fennicy I think I'll help you with that. EVERYONE jesus christ this was posted up for a reason. Call the damn 1877 866 or 800 numbers asap! TALK to your senators office about this. I'm truly against. I've got my whole family doing this for a reason. If you're going to sit there and rant about how the USA is screwing things up THEN DO SOMETHING. You may say I don't make a difference or it wouldn't matter. The majority may not have called our senators when that article was first put out, but we are getting there! MORE people are calling... Call the damn switch boards and SAY SOMETHING! Edit: I don't want to fight for a country that has taken all my rights away. If this bill is passed... I'm just going to serve my 8 and leave the army. (Last edited by One Shot One Kill on 12-05-07 05:47 PM) |
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Lord Vulkas Mormonus Vile High Xeodent of Xeomerica. Since: 10-29-04 From: North Carolina, United States. World, Sol System, milky way Since last post: 130 days Last activity: 130 days |
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Originally posted by One Shot One Kill Trust me, this bill won't be passed by congress, just one senator would mention your problem with it, and the whole thing will go away. @Kaijin, not a lot I can say in response to you, except that I doubt that your alternant definitions of force would hold up in court.
I honestly don't think that any jury would be stupid enough to accept that use of the word force. Force means to make something do something esle, with no choice given to the object, like me forcing a block to slide along a floor. Although, I do admit this law will be abused a bit, but I don't think that it was intended to be amde in the way you mention it. This bill is the least of my worries about the government so far, anyway. EDIT: And just so you all know, it was I who fixed your title to Freedom of speech, instead of freedom at speech.
Just tell me if you want it changed back, but the grammar was really bugging me. (Last edited by Vulkar on 12-05-07 07:40 PM) |
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FX Zombie Marco Since: 03-24-06 Since last post: 3866 days Last activity: 3762 days |
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| Let me just throw this out there: the dictionary's definition of force.
Now, if taken to court, a judge could say "Well, it only meant brute force." To which the prosecutor would respond with "But it doesn't say brute force." To which the judge would have to conceed, because the law just says force. |
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Lord Vulkas Mormonus Vile High Xeodent of Xeomerica. Since: 10-29-04 From: North Carolina, United States. World, Sol System, milky way Since last post: 130 days Last activity: 130 days |
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| Look at definition 22 on your list, Hiro. Oh, and I assume that 30 probably ISN'T what we're thinking of. |
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FX Zombie Marco Since: 03-24-06 Since last post: 3866 days Last activity: 3762 days |
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| Yes, but all the others are still on there, aren't they? |
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