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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 635 days Last activity: 444 days |
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Slashdot posted this hilarious argument Orson Scott Card made against J.K. Rowling, who's in the process of suing Harry Potter Lexicon for what she believes as stealing "descriptions, character details, and plot points" from the HP series, that she feels only she should profit from.
Article on that if you're interested: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071114-infringus-maximus-rowling-wins-injunction-against-harry-potter-lexicon.html Orson Scott Card, author of the widely-popular Ender's Game, makes an unbelievably hilarious observation of Ms. Rowling inadvertantly stealing his own plot points. Article: http://www.linearpublishing.com/RhinoStory.html Originally posted by Orson Scott Card I bolded a part of the above to call attention to the observation. TL;DR? Pretty much Harry Potter is Ender's Game but with witches and wizards in place of the space marine training facility (or whatever it was that all the children learning to fight buggers were kept). |
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Lord Vulkas Mormonus Vile High Xeodent of Xeomerica. Since: 10-29-04 From: North Carolina, United States. World, Sol System, milky way Since last post: 96 days Last activity: 96 days |
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You can find a weekly article by him here, www.hatrack.com. You can find his articles on the left side.
But anyway, it's things like this that make me think Orson Scott Card is awesome. Trivia: I used to go to the same church as Scott Card, and saw him every sunday. My dad also worked as his lawyer at one point. |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 635 days Last activity: 444 days |
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I don't care what arguments people have tried to make against Orson Scott Card (you get the occasional people who interject that he's racist or that he started centering his writing on his religion).
I loved Ender's Game and this is the funniest thing I've read all week. I used to adore J.K. Rowling, even as Orson put it about her "Cinderella story" charming us. It seemed like when Goblet of Fire came out, she made this weird shift toward merchandising (this was also around the time the first movie was announced). I wonder if she'll sue Cliff's Notes in a few years. |
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Cteno Super Shotgun Moderator Since: 01-11-05 Since last post: 94 days Last activity: 91 days |
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It really saddens me when artists (musicians, painters, authors) put their talent in the back seat and sell out. When (if) I make it big as one myself, I will stay away from that kind of crap. If I do make some money on the side, that's great, but I'm not going to be out to suck every dollar from everybody and play the victim. That's just not right.
tl;dr I hate the industry. |
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Ryan Ptooie Is back! Since: 10-01-04 From: Stafford, UK Since last post: 4646 days Last activity: 4606 days |
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The little respect I had for J. K. Rowling has been destroyed. | |||
Xeios You WANKER! Since: 08-16-04 Since last post: 5076 days Last activity: 1386 days |
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That's why I liked Harry Potter.
I hadn't thought of it, but the book I read many(many), years before had almost the exact same plot sequence. Interesting, kind of makes me wonder, "Why the hell was her book 7 parts long and just as good as the book that was only 1" (If you don't count the other's in the series, that were not summed up in the explanation of plot above) Maybe because she just bullshat for thousands of pages and made a million useless characters she intended to kill later for no reason other than to "hook" readers. In other words, J. K. Rowling best not write any more blatant fiction ripoffs, though I doubt she'd have the talent to come up with an idea of her own. |
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Lord Vulkas Mormonus Vile High Xeodent of Xeomerica. Since: 10-29-04 From: North Carolina, United States. World, Sol System, milky way Since last post: 96 days Last activity: 96 days |
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Originally posted by Rogue That's actually far more true than you know. Have you read the Homecoming series? It's a pretty good sci-fi series, but it's also like a science fiction version of the first two books in the Book of Mormon. And I mean REALLY similiar, right down to people's names(not identical, but similiar, like he used Nafai instead of Nephi.) It's still an awesome series though, highly reccomended. |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 635 days Last activity: 444 days |
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Yeah, I know he did that. I honestly do not have a problem with it, but when Anne Rice denounced her vampire books and started writing about Catholicism, people started down-casting OSC as well.
On other boards I used to visit people would attack him on that point ALONE saying they used to respect him, but now they hate his work for his concentrating on Mormonism. People are very stupid creatures. Take Tom Cruise's Scientology-conversion for example. Suddenly any enjoyable movies he's ever made are looked down upon for his recent unfavorable appearances in the media. Just because Tom Cruise has chosen a faith others oppose, and to be honest he has said some pretty out-there things, I'm not going to start hating Interview with the Vampire. Same with Anne Rice, regarding the same title respectively (though my reasons for disliking her these days are numerous in nature and none of it having to do with her sudden jump to writing about Christ so much as her absolute disregard for her ever-loving fanbase. She's biting the hand that feeds her, I tell you). It seems like whenever religion comes into play with a celebrity, suddenly they become a target for ridicule (I mean how many people started despising Mel Gibson for his making The Passion of the Christ alone, and before his anti-semitic comments when he got pulled over?). As though by announcing to the world that they want to concentrate on something they feel spiritually strong about, their work is suddenly garbage. One has to separate the artist from their piece. That's all I'm saying. It's really ignorant to do otherwise. (Last edited by Rogue on 05-05-08 12:05 PM) |
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Cairoi This isn't about you and your loud mouth, This is about me and my fucking beard. Since: 08-29-04 From: PA Since last post: 4850 days Last activity: 4474 days |
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Well yeah, this sucks, but I still think J.K. Rowling is a talented writer. She made books popular with people that books normally AREN'T popular with. That's good work on any account. | |||
Lord Vulkas Mormonus Vile High Xeodent of Xeomerica. Since: 10-29-04 From: North Carolina, United States. World, Sol System, milky way Since last post: 96 days Last activity: 96 days |
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I've actually discussed her writing abilities a lot with people, Cairoi, and I came to a firm conclusion...
She's a decent writer, and that helps, but that's not what makes her books good and popular. But, she's not a great writer. The thing that makes her good is her storywriting abilities, and her ability to develop characters. Tolkien was a great writer, Homer was a great writer, and a lot of other people were great writers. However, where Tolkien couldn't attact as huge of an audience with his great writing, Rowling did it with her good storytelling. I'm not insulting Tolkien, by the way, he's awesome, and undoubtedly one of my favorite authors(though I haven't enjoyed much of his beyond the Hobbit and LOTR.) I just think that Rowling did better with her characters and storytelling, even though I was disappointed when she killed off about ten different characters in the last 200 pages of the 7th book, slightly annoying. |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 635 days Last activity: 444 days |
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If you look through her first book, you might notice how many historical and fantasy references she makes and hides in the details. Enough to make a child curious and maybe even look up who many of the sorcerers and witches she mentions were.
When it comes right down to it, HP is meant for kids, and works well as a stepping stone to other books. She just happened to start making the story a bit more adult-like as she realized there were many more people over the age of 10 picking these up (as well as HP's becoming more of a teenager with teenage-drama). And taking them way too seriously, I might add... Seriously? The bottom one isn't even cut right or in the right place. It kills me when people like that say Trekkers/Trekkies are geeks and HP fans are cool. |
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