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FX Zombie Marco         Since: 03-24-06 Since last post: 3833 days Last activity: 3728 days |
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| klossus (1:10:34 PM): so I figured out why a man who sleeps with a lot of girls is a player, which is good
klossus (1:10:45 PM): while a woman who sleeps with a lot of men is a slut, which is bad klossus (1:11:35 PM): for a man, getting a lot of girls is a challenge, which makes that accomplishment something to be pround of klossus (1:11:53 PM): but a woman can get a man like that *snaps fingers* klossus (1:11:59 PM): so it's not an accomplishment klossus (1:12:47 PM): eh? Shaddow Karate (1:17:45 PM): Mm Shaddow Karate (1:17:47 PM): that makes sense Shaddow Karate (1:17:51 PM): also... Shaddow Karate (1:18:01 PM): I figured out just why girls get with all the assholes Shaddow Karate (1:18:12 PM): and the nice guys have short and bad / if any relationships. klossus (1:18:44 PM): why? Shaddow Karate (1:18:46 PM): Shaddow figured it out, but she's my head, so whatever Shaddow Karate (1:19:10 PM): it's basically because nice guys exude insecurity. klossus (1:19:33 PM): what about a secure nice guy? klossus (1:19:38 PM): I think I know what you mean Shaddow Karate (1:20:44 PM): see... Shaddow Karate (1:20:48 PM): nice guys are very insecure... and... Shaddow Karate (1:21:01 PM): they pretty much attempt to buy the attention of girls, because they don't trust their own ability to earn it Shaddow Karate (1:21:20 PM): it's impossible for a girl to tell if the nice guy actually likes her, or if he's obsessed because she gave him the slightest bit of attention. Shaddow Karate (1:21:21 PM): *Shaddow* Shaddow Karate (1:22:00 PM): Furthermore, their timing is terrible. They'd bring roses to a "let's get coffee" date, coming on too hard, too strong, and too fast... That or they'll stay at the "Friends" stage for their entire fucking life, hoping that they might one day gain the courage to ask her Shaddow Karate (1:22:15 PM): but by that time, the girl usually believes that they actually DO just want to be friends, and asking surprizes her. Shaddow Karate (1:22:33 PM): Women aren't bitches for dumping nice guys... nice guys are LOSERS for getting dumped all the time. Shaddow Karate (1:22:49 PM): Insecuritity isn't a Turn on, unless the girl is one of the LOWEST forms of scum on the earth Shaddow Karate (1:22:57 PM): the sort of slut that would take advantage of a nice guy. Shaddow Karate (1:23:23 PM): you don't have to be an over ego-inflated asshole to get girls klossus (1:23:32 PM): so what women really want in a man is... self confidence? Shaddow Karate (1:23:32 PM): but damned if y'all couldn't learn something from them, y'know? Shaddow Karate (1:23:38 PM): Self Confidence! Yes! klossus (1:23:43 PM): which usually goes hand in hand with being an ass klossus (1:23:51 PM): because an ass with no confidence... klossus (1:23:59 PM): well, he wouldn't be much of an ass would he? Shaddow Karate (1:23:56 PM): That's because when you're confident, you feel no reason to be modest. Shaddow Karate (1:24:11 PM): "Modesty" is a defense mechanism of insecure people. Shaddow Karate (1:24:30 PM): They say they're bad so that the only time they're proven wrong, it's in their favor... Shaddow Karate (1:25:16 PM): but... Shaddow Karate (1:25:21 PM): in general, those that aren't modest... Shaddow Karate (1:25:23 PM): are arrogant fucks. 
Shaddow Karate (1:25:27 PM): it's hard to hit a gray area Shaddow Karate (1:25:40 PM): and chances are... if they were in said gray area, they'd probably be a very weird person in general... 
klossus (1:26:05 PM): like you? Shaddow Karate (1:27:14 PM): I've found that Mark has his own problems that makes him an incredibly repulsive boy too though. Hehe. Shaddow Karate (1:27:21 PM): That's another issue with nice guys by the way. Shaddow Karate (1:27:32 PM): They put the pussy on a pedastol. klossus (1:27:43 PM): too much 40 year old virgin for you Shaddow Karate (1:27:49 PM): And only catty little bitches like yours truly like that sort of thing, and... well... most girls are afraid of heights.
Shaddow Karate (1:28:17 PM): Girls don't want to be worshipped... Shaddow Karate (1:28:23 PM): they want to be loved.
Shaddow Karate (1:28:48 PM): Girls want to be the guy's equal, never the guy's better... and frankly, if your girlfriend wants to be your better, she's not the girl for you, clearly. klossus (1:29:17 PM): well klossus (1:29:25 PM): I'm going to switch to windows klossus (1:29:28 PM): g'day Discuss. |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 636 days Last activity: 445 days |
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| Yeah, Shaddow quoted, word-for-word, this article that he showed me that we discussed last week: http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/niceguys/niceguys.shtml
It's pretty profound in its simplicity. But when it comes to the discussion of double standards in terms of the number of sex partners, I think it's somewhat ridiculous that people still think the way they do on it any more. If men and women are supposed to be equal, you should either think both are sluts or both are just "popular." Consistency, people. I don't really care if you think the girl is a slut so long as you think the guy is too. |
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt  Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4559 days Last activity: 4553 days |
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Originally posted by Rogue I think the reason that some people dont think that guys can be whores because most (Not all) women are so easy to get into. Men and women are easily flattered from the way I see things. You can, at any time, correct me, but im going by personal experience and what I have seen. Around here, its always the snobby bitches who give up their virginity to the guys who are assholes. But when it comes to the guys, they are always peverted, and 40% of the time; the women give themselves up. Now that we have that simplified. Lets go a bit deeper. Take what shaddow said-- Shaddow Karate (1:27:49 PM): And only catty little bitches like yours truly like that sort of thing, and... well... most girls are afraid of heights. Shaddow Karate (1:28:17 PM): Girls don't want to be worshipped... Shaddow Karate (1:28:23 PM): they want to be loved. Depending on the girl really, you cant just really sum up on what a girl wants in a matter of heights. I have dated tall girls, and extremely short ones. *Leans on Fennicy*. It really all depends on the person rather than the Gender of the person. |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 636 days Last activity: 445 days |
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| Another thing to consider is that the male fantasy is multiple women--spread the seed and dip the nib as much as possible. It's in the primal make-up to keep the species going.
On the other hand, the usual female ideal is one man (or woman) always and forever--there's a prince out there for me in shining armor somewhere and I gotta save myself for him yadda yadda yadda. Ick. Seriously, though, it's a brave new world. |
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Ryan Ptooie Is back!   Since: 10-01-04 From: Stafford, UK Since last post: 4647 days Last activity: 4607 days |
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| There's an episode of The IT Crowd that plays on the theory that "All women want a bastard". Yeah, had to get a reference to some comedy in here somewhere. xD
I don't like the way that article states that all nice guys are instantly insecure... You don't have to be a dick head to have self confidence. I have confidence in myself yet I like to consider myself a nice guy... Most of the time anyway. |
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FX Zombie Marco Since: 03-24-06 Since last post: 3833 days Last activity: 3728 days |
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Originally posted by Nagis He didn't mean that literally, because he had just said "Shaddow Karate (1:27:32 PM): They put the pussy on a pedastol." Pedestals are hight. Get it? |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 636 days Last activity: 445 days |
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Originally posted by Danny Phantom From what I gathered it wasn't really saying that all nice guys are insecure losers, but mostly the ones who complain about girls leaving them for dicks. I've dated nice guys, and am currently dating one. A past one that I was with was jealous and over-protective of me in EVERY situation. If we were out somewhere and a man spoke to me, more than just "Do you want fries with that?" (hell, he got mad at a guy at a fast food restaurant for that once) he'd yell at the guy, pull me aside and demand to know what that was about. It got to the point that I would go places with him, stare at the ground, and he would still insist that some guy walked passed me and I smiled at him (because smiling at someone means infidelity). But this was also the guy that when taking me to a store and I happened to pick something up just to look at it, he'd insist that he buy it for me as a present. I always refused, but confusingly enough he always complained whenever he paid at restaurants. I might add, the guy was about to turn 30 and I was 18 and just started college at the time. Yes, I know. The age difference. But there were times I simply felt like I was the older one. Older doesn't mean maturer. When I dumped him after a month of dating, he called me a "selfish bitch." He then phoned a month later because he was having family issues. I invite him to come by so we can talk and suddenly he's all compliments and wanting me to spend New Year's eve with him, alone in his apartment. Despite his saying he'd understand if I already had plans, which I did, he called me a "worthless cunt" and we've never spoken since. This is also the guy that will talk your ear off about how much he loved me and how no one will love me more or the way he did and so on and so forth. He'd constantly hinted about wanting to go to Vegas. When I jokingly said I wouldn't marry him, he'd shout the oh-how-I-hate-the-phrase-so-fucking-much "What's THAT supposed to mean?" 
I couldn't joke with him. He took things way too literally. The nice guy I'm with now doesn't buy me flowers. He doesn't get mad if I talk to other guys (hell, his best friend constantly comes to visit me when he's not around). He laughs when I jokingly call him names. Though he could be considered shy at times, he has so much self-confidence and he's the most patient man I've ever met. He goes along with me on my crazy adventures, but he's assertive when it matters. Guaranteed if/when we break up we'd still be best friends. Most nice guys that I've come across would probably make really good matches out there, but often they aren't assertive. They want to be nice and think things will happen to them as opposed to making them happen. Girls don't just fall out of the sky and into your lap. But if they do, treat 'em right, but treat them as an equal--not like they're wearing a tag that says "Property of..." That first guy I mentioned was a toy-collecting geek and he acted like I was one of his collectibles that no one else should see or touch. A little self-confidence goes a long way. (Last edited by Rogue on 09-22-07 05:53 PM) |
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Logos Again? Banned  Since: 07-24-06 Since last post: 6107 days Last activity: 6197 days |
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| Isn't thinking that one is a nice person imply a lot of unwarranted egotism in the first place? | |||
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| No. Most Niceguys don't like to be called "Niceguys."
You get the term "nice" and "niceguy" confused, I think. By the way, Logos, nobody likes you, GTFO. |
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Lord Vulkas Mormonus Vile High Xeodent of Xeomerica.  Since: 10-29-04 From: North Carolina, United States. World, Sol System, milky way Since last post: 97 days Last activity: 97 days |
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| Alright Rehash, no flaming here in the debate forum. Debate is not intended to cause insults, drama, or offense.
On the subject at hand, I consider myself a fairly nice guy, but I know for a fact that I'm not insecure(I have a lot of overconfidence). Not really a lot more that I can add to this topic, except that I think any girl who I would really like wouldn't end up going off with the "jerk" I just couldn't respect someone who actaully wanted to harm themselves in that way. |
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Ryan Ptooie Is back! Since: 10-01-04 From: Stafford, UK Since last post: 4647 days Last activity: 4607 days |
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Originally posted by Vulkar Off-topic: I can DEFINATELY understand why you think that. xD |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 636 days Last activity: 445 days |
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So addressing the double standards I'd mentioned earlier, here's a joke someone sent me in an e-mail today:
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Elara Divine Mamkute Dark Elf Goddess Chaos Imp Penguins Fan Ms. Invisable  Since: 08-15-04 From: Ferelden Since last post: 102 days Last activity: 102 days |
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| Double-standards suck. But yeah, I guess a lot of the problem is that the nice guys just don't believe in themselves enough. Same with nice girls I guess. | |||
Cyro Xero Rune Mage  Rave Atom  Since: 02-23-05 From: Minnesota!! Since last post: 52 days Last activity: 52 days |
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| Don't have much time to post this.
Confidence and sense of humor are what women find attractive. If you can, imagine yourself as a female (for the guys) and picture yourself with a man. As a woman, what would you want that man to be like? If you are able to do that, then you should instantly know what qualities an attractive man has. When comes down to it, women want men who are men. |
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True Flight The One Since: 08-21-04 Since last post: 102 days Last activity: 102 days |
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| Well I did try to stray away from the girlishness of women. I love how women can't control androgony (the ability to switch from masculine to feminine in the blink of an eye)....
Personally men are pricks and women are vindictive bitches at heart. |
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Cyro Xero Rune Mage Rave Atom Since: 02-23-05 From: Minnesota!! Since last post: 52 days Last activity: 52 days |
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| I think it's better to say that men are assholes. You're right on the women aspect of evilness. | |||
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Spartan Metal battleaxe Is back. Kind of. Since: 11-15-04 Since last post: 91 days Last activity: 80 days |
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| Don't take this wrong, but like hey man that post...mega bumpage. | |||
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4559 days Last activity: 4553 days |
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Originally posted by Spartan At least he was contributing.
You mean SOME are. SOME is the key word there I think you forgot to mention. There is physical prof in this, and it is in genetics. Some people can be sluts, retards, nice-whores(wtf), and so on. It's just all personality. |
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True Flight The One Since: 08-21-04 Since last post: 102 days Last activity: 102 days |
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| What's a.... nice-whore... | |||
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4559 days Last activity: 4553 days |
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| Figure of speech, I was trying to point out that there are MANY different types of people in this world. |
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