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Squire Vince Storm Eagle is watching you, he sees your every move.         Since: 04-17-10 From: Victorian London. Since last post: 4950 days Last activity: 4924 days |
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| I don't know why you'd be this deep into this thread if you weren't alerted of the Spoilers so this is kinda one, don't continue to read if you don't want to know what i'm saying >.>
If the kicks were set to go off at a certain time then when they weren't awake by the van falling they'd be in that dream state forever. The sense of zero gravity was brought about by them falling so that was another hole in the science. and I also like that part ^ |
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cityondown012510 Red Cheep-cheep  Since: 05-30-10 From: Bensalem Since last post: 4792 days Last activity: 4805 days |
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Spoiler: TO CLEAR UP WHY THE VAN ROLLING DID NOT WAKE THEM UP: the feeling of falling IS NOT the only thing that wakes them. Even when not heavily sedated, the crash is what wakes them. The first dream sequence, when they're in Saito's apartment with their old Architect, he knocks Cobb's chair over. At this point, Cobb is still under. It's not until he HITS THE WATER (the kick) that they are woken up. With their seatbelts on, the van rolling did not provide a big enough impact as hitting the solid steel bridge, or crashing into the water, did. Furthermore, the sedation was planned by Yusuf, an expert. He had to anticipate that, and as such, would have given them the dosage that would have been necessary to keep them under until the timer (on the plane) ran out. Besides...don't quote me on this, I'm not positive, but if my memory serves correctly, Arthur was the only one in the level below the van (the hotel) when the van rolled. I'm not 100% about the mechanics of the dreams, but maybe the dreamer can't be taken out if people are another level under. Besides, kicks HAVE TO BE SYNCHRONIZED. That was very established. The van rolling was synchronized with nothing, just as the van crashing into the bridge was. As such, it had no effect. There are several reasons. Pick your favorite. In other news, I'm curious to hear everyone's take on the ending. Was it all a dream? Is Cobb in the real world? Let's hear opinions, people. Also, my favorite part was definitely: Arthur: Quick, kiss me. Ariadne: They're still looking at us. Arthur: Eh, worth a shot. |
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Squire Vince Storm Eagle is watching you, he sees your every move. Since: 04-17-10 From: Victorian London. Since last post: 4950 days Last activity: 4924 days |
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| I really like the idea of him being awake as a wholesome ending, and yes that part was great
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cityondown012510 Red Cheep-cheep Since: 05-30-10 From: Bensalem Since last post: 4792 days Last activity: 4805 days |
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| I agree, that would be the wholesome, satisfying ending. However, I can definitely see how it could go both ways.
Spoiler: When they wake up on the plane, it is the most ambiguous scene that I have ever seen. There are no signs of recognition on the plane. Only smiles. Now, this could be because they can't all seem to know each other because Fischer is still there...or because they really don't know each other. Furthermore, when Saito wakes up and immediately makes the phone call. That could be him making the call for Cobb, or him just having to make a business call. The glances of kinda recognition between Cobb-Arthur and Cobb-Eames could be them playing it cool, or just them noticing one another from the plane. Ariadne watching Cobb through customs could be her checking to see if everything is cool, or her checking out the ruggedly handsome man from the plane. And the brief recognition between Fischer and Cobb could, again, just be recognition from the plane, or Fischer remembering him from the dream. It's perfectly done, and perfectly ambiguous. The top spinning is, as well. It might have wobbled...but it might have not. We, as the audience, don't know. The red flag for me was Miles, Cobb's father-in-law (Michael Caine), showing up at the airport. That, above all else, is what makes me think that it's a dream. It is established that Cobb and Co. are landing in America. It is also established that Miles is a teacher in France. If it was reality...why the hell would he be there? |
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Lord Vulkas Mormonus Vile High Xeodent of Xeomerica.  Since: 10-29-04 From: North Carolina, United States. World, Sol System, milky way Since last post: 95 days Last activity: 95 days |
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Spoiler: I saw it in IMAX, from the front row, and believe me, the top definitely wobbled. However, that doesn't neccesarilly mean anything, as shown by this article... http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/24477/1/NEVER-WAKE-UP-THE-MEANING-AND-SECRET-OF-INCEPTION/Page1.html As for the fall...they had to experience the feeling of falling in their current layer of dreaming in order to wake up. So, the van would only wake them up if they were awake in the van, the fall from the elevator would only wake them up if they were awake in the elevator, etc. And for those wondering about the bathtub, its a different type of drug. You'll notice that he didn't wake up in the bathtub until he was already underneath the water, soaked, similiar to how you can wake up when having a bucket of water thrown on you. The idea is that the drugs weren't nearly as powerful for the first dream. |
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Kyoku kun Phan Phan Where in the world in Aurora the Explora? Currently California!  Since: 06-19-06 From: Northern California Since last post: 4771 days Last activity: 4398 days |
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Cairoi This isn't about you and your loud mouth, This is about me and my fucking beard. Since: 08-29-04 From: PA Since last post: 4850 days Last activity: 4473 days |
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Originally posted by Kyoku kunOriginally posted by cityondown012510 |
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cityondown012510 Red Cheep-cheep Since: 05-30-10 From: Bensalem Since last post: 4792 days Last activity: 4805 days |
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| That wasn't the scene of proof...not that portion, anyway. That was just what I was saying to establish the ambiguity. Besides, Spoiler: Cobb and Arthur were friends, and often worked together, so one would assume that they would have spoken at least. It's not entirely uncommon for two people that know each other to be on a plane, nor is it uncommon for one's subconscious to place people around you into dreams. Regardless, that scene was proof of nothing. I'm still thrown by why his father-in-law would have flown to America, from France, on a separate plane from them, to...give Cobb a ride home? If it was to check up on how the mission went, a simple phone call would have sufficed. Just seemed strange to me. |
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Kyoku kun Phan Phan Where in the world in Aurora the Explora? Currently California! Since: 06-19-06 From: Northern California Since last post: 4771 days Last activity: 4398 days |
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