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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance         Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 633 days Last activity: 442 days |
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| The U.S., France, United Kingdom, Germany, and Turkey have vowed to use force against Syria for its use of chemical weapons to massacre its own people. What outlets are covering this are reporting the strikes may be as early as this Thursday.
What do you think about this? I'd been concerned about Syria since I had to debate against torture my freshman year of college. Researching the subject, I'd read about the United States and other countries using extraordinary rendition to move suspected terrorists to Syria (where pretty much anything goes when it comes to torture), as told by former CIA operatives. Then over the years we'd keep hearing about more and more excessively violent things happening to Syria's people, and I'd keep wondering if we were ever going to deal with them. Still, as a moderate, I'm not entirely backing that we should jump into this situation and use force. We're known for sticking our noses in other people's business, but as I've heard from many a college professor, being the super-power that we are, it's our responsibility to police the world. Again, thoughts? |
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Cteno Super Shotgun Moderator Since: 01-11-05 Since last post: 91 days Last activity: 89 days |
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| I find it sad that so few Americans are aware of this situation. It seems we care more about Batman and twerking for this to be a thing. | |||
Lord Vulkas Mormonus Vile High Xeodent of Xeomerica.  Since: 10-29-04 From: North Carolina, United States. World, Sol System, milky way Since last post: 94 days Last activity: 94 days |
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| Here's what I see happening:
US: Yeah, I know we've been reading all your e-mails, listening to your phone conversations, and watching you without your permission for years, but don't forget, Syria is worse than us! Oh yeah, I know we tried to cover it up too, breaking the trust of the US, but Syria is worse than us! And yeah, I know that we targeted political for tax audits (auditing my family two years in a row, taking way too long with it so that my financial aid came out way less than I needed) but Syria is the bad guy! And yeah, I know we loaded and distributed guns to the gangs all throughout Mexico, putting them in some pretty dire straights, but Syria is worse than us! And yes, Syria is worse than us. I don't know enough of the story yet to know if we should go in and help them, but all that I know is that this seems like a big piece of misdirection to me. Of course, all the government needed for misdirection was a bit of Miley Cyrus going bad and Ben Affleck being the new Batman. |
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FX Zombie Marco Since: 03-24-06 Since last post: 3829 days Last activity: 3725 days |
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| By the way, we're not even sure if it was the Syrian government that used the chemical weapons, or the rebels. | |||
Lord Alexandor Knight Discord Manager  Since: 10-15-06 From: Dayton, OH Since last post: 1383 days Last activity: 75 days |
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| Syria is just another distraction. A "Conflict Intervention" or whatever they want to call it, is not necessary. Until the Syrian fighting spills out to other countries, let them deal with it. We are already having enough trouble funding our military properly, so lets not waste more money on another battle we don't need to fight. | |||
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FX Zombie Marco Since: 03-24-06 Since last post: 3829 days Last activity: 3725 days |
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Originally posted by Lord Alexandor Yes, our military is so hurting for money. |
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Elara Divine Mamkute Dark Elf Goddess Chaos Imp Penguins Fan Ms. Invisable  Since: 08-15-04 From: Ferelden Since last post: 99 days Last activity: 99 days |
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| I don't think that we should declare war or anything... the situation is far too volatile and murky to be sure of what is going on for that to even be an option (and it isn't last time I checked). But the international community cannot ignore Syria anymore.
All evidence so far points to the Syrian government. Unless someone can explain why the rebels would choose to sneak into government held regions of the city, manage to take control of their missiles, and voluntarily launch them at their own people instead of at their enemies. There are some things that we cannot just ignore and still be considered good human beings. The use of chemical weapons on civilians is one of them... this is turning into a genocide. |
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FX Zombie Marco Since: 03-24-06 Since last post: 3829 days Last activity: 3725 days |
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| Apparently it was the Syrian government who said it was the rebels? I dunno.
http://benswann.com/what-the-media-isnt-telling-you-about-the-syrian-chemical-attack/ http://rt.com/news/rebel-tunnel-damascus-chemical-940/ |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 633 days Last activity: 442 days |
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Reportedly, Assad's 11-year-old son posted this on Facebook:
EDIT: No telling if this REALLY was posted by the kid. Just putting it here since it's been going around the news. (Last edited by Rogue on 08-29-13 11:10 PM) |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 633 days Last activity: 442 days |
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| Obama is seeking Congress' approval to strike Syria. Chances are they'll say no. What will happen then? | |||
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 633 days Last activity: 442 days |
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| Also, the other thing to consider is that Syria's biggest ally is Russia. Russia's got a naval base there, they provide Syria with weapons, and this could get real ugly. | |||
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Elara Divine Mamkute Dark Elf Goddess Chaos Imp Penguins Fan Ms. Invisable Since: 08-15-04 From: Ferelden Since last post: 99 days Last activity: 99 days |
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| Honestly I don't know what Congress will do but the debate will be interesting. I think that the main thing that needs to be understood is that any action we take is not to end the civil war, it is to send the message that you cannot just use chemical weapons and get away with it. Assad really put the international community between a rock and a hard place here.
But, for those that may not get exactly what is going on... here are 9 Questions About Syria You Were Too Embarrassed To Ask |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 633 days Last activity: 442 days |
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Servicemen are putting up signs like this on social media:
More posted here There have been skeptics posting that they think this original pic could be bogus since he'd be identifiable by his ribbons (if it is in fact the uniform's owner whose wearing them), but there are many more just like it. Again, some or all could be a random person in a purchased/borrowed uniform (and it's possible they're ALL real), but what are your thoughts? |
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Elara Divine Mamkute Dark Elf Goddess Chaos Imp Penguins Fan Ms. Invisable Since: 08-15-04 From: Ferelden Since last post: 99 days Last activity: 99 days |
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| Everyone is focusing on the civil war instead of the actual reason we are contemplating taking action. It doesn't matter who it is or who it was used on, it is a violation of international law to use chemical weapons and that law was broken.
What is the point of having a law if you do not enforce it? This should be the United Nations job... but Russia and China are cockblocking them from taking the actions that need taking because of their own self interests. |
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FX Zombie Marco Since: 03-24-06 Since last post: 3829 days Last activity: 3725 days |
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| By the way, am I the only one who finds war laws fucking absurd? | |||
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Cteno Super Shotgun Moderator Since: 01-11-05 Since last post: 91 days Last activity: 89 days |
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Originally posted by FX Nope. |
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Astrophel Fear will kill your mind and steal your love as sure as anything; Fear will rob you blind and make you numb to others suffering  Since: 10-03-04 From: Azul Lux Orbital, Kirin Beta Since last post: 2479 days Last activity: 1330 days |
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| Then you approve of attacks on undefended civilian settlements and neutral medical ships (Hague Convention of 1899), torture, and attacks of any kind on noncombatants (Geneva Convention, common article 3)?
Interesting. |
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FX Zombie Marco Since: 03-24-06 Since last post: 3829 days Last activity: 3725 days |
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| No, just the concept that there are laws for war seems so absurd. Because when you make one type of murder illegal, it's saying that all others are fine.
It just always conjures an image in my head of two countries having a brutal war, when one suddenly calls time-out and says, "Dude, you can't do that, it's against the rules." It's just bizarre to imagine. |
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Lord Vulkas Mormonus Vile High Xeodent of Xeomerica. Since: 10-29-04 From: North Carolina, United States. World, Sol System, milky way Since last post: 94 days Last activity: 94 days |
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| So I'm just curious, what here is different between this and the war in Iraq?
In both, we had confirmed knowledge of the use of chemical weapons in the past. The difference here is that Iraq would not let UN inspectors in, while Syria is. Also, we knew for sure that it was Saddam Hussein who used chemical weapons in Iraq, in Syria we believe it was Hassad. Evidence is very strong that it was him, but it's still not 100%. Both nations have very few links to having harmed us, except that there is some amount of evidence of an Iraqi politician being present for the planning of 9/11. An attack against both nations would mean a lot of diplomatic problems for the US, only for Iraq is was more problems with Iran and some other middle eastern countries. Here it's China and Russia that will be very angry with us. Both wars will be taking place while America is hurting economically. Only now we'll be doing it with a lot of budget cuts in the military. Both nations have links to Al Qaeda, only now we'd be fighting on the same side as Al Qaeda. Now, I understand that we cannot allow the use of Chemical weapons. However, is the solution really to invade them? Furthermore, the way we'd attack will most likely be through the use of missiles and drone strikes, which have a high amount of collateral damage. And just the final question, why on earth didn't we invade them two years ago when it happened, why are we only just now getting around to it? It seems like invading a country in such a way that we will have a lot of civilian casualties for something that happened two years ago, and aren't even 100% sure was done by the government is pretty odd. Like I said before though, I honestly think that this is more about the politcs than it is about stopping the use of chemical weapons. If it was about the chemical weapons, we would have invaded two years ago, not now when OBama and the NSA is getting all sorts of backlash about other things. |
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FX Zombie Marco Since: 03-24-06 Since last post: 3829 days Last activity: 3725 days |
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| I feel like the main difference is that it's not just us this time. |
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