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Lord Vulkas Mormonus

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Since: 10-29-04
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Posted on 09-05-13 12:28 AM Link | Quote
In Iraq we also had the support of the UK, Canada, Australia, and a few other nations.

EDIT: http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/05/world/meast/syria-strike-allies/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Actually, from the looks of it, it WILL be just us this time. Even England won't help us out.


(Last edited by Lord Vulkas Mormonus on 09-05-13 06:49 PM)
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Since: 08-15-04
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Posted on 09-08-13 09:05 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Lord Vulkas Mormonus
So I'm just curious, what here is different between this and the war in Iraq?

In both, we had confirmed knowledge of the use of chemical weapons in the past. The difference here is that Iraq would not let UN inspectors in, while Syria is. Also, we knew for sure that it was Saddam Hussein who used chemical weapons in Iraq, in Syria we believe it was Hassad. Evidence is very strong that it was him, but it's still not 100%.

Both nations have very few links to having harmed us, except that there is some amount of evidence of an Iraqi politician being present for the planning of 9/11.

An attack against both nations would mean a lot of diplomatic problems for the US, only for Iraq is was more problems with Iran and some other middle eastern countries. Here it's China and Russia that will be very angry with us.

Both wars will be taking place while America is hurting economically. Only now we'll be doing it with a lot of budget cuts in the military.

Both nations have links to Al Qaeda, only now we'd be fighting on the same side as Al Qaeda.

Now, I understand that we cannot allow the use of Chemical weapons. However, is the solution really to invade them? Furthermore, the way we'd attack will most likely be through the use of missiles and drone strikes, which have a high amount of collateral damage.

And just the final question, why on earth didn't we invade them two years ago when it happened, why are we only just now getting around to it? It seems like invading a country in such a way that we will have a lot of civilian casualties for something that happened two years ago, and aren't even 100% sure was done by the government is pretty odd.

Like I said before though, I honestly think that this is more about the politcs than it is about stopping the use of chemical weapons. If it was about the chemical weapons, we would have invaded two years ago, not now when OBama and the NSA is getting all sorts of backlash about other things.


1) Because information about Iraq turned out to be fabricated.

2) This isn't an invasion. That requires sending in troops, which we are not doing here, nor were we ever.

3) Personally, I do not know if missile strikes are a good idea or not. I think that we should be looking at multiple options... but just standing around saying "We condemn the attacks," isn't going to stop them.

4) Politicians ignore issues in other countries that don't have immediate interests involved for as long as they can get away with it. This last attack was so blatant that we just can't do that anymore. I agree that we should have taken stricter measures two years ago, but I don't have a time machine to go back and bitchslap Congress into putting some sanctions on both Syria and anyone selling them weapons, now do I?
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Posted on 09-08-13 01:39 PM Link | Quote
Can Assad be tried as a war criminal like Malaysia tried Bush and Cheney?
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Posted on 09-08-13 03:56 PM Link | Quote
Here's an interesting theory
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/the-left-and-right-entire_b_3852157.html
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Since: 08-15-04
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Posted on 09-10-13 06:36 AM Link | Quote
So, I am now wondering if we've engaged in an international game of chicken.

Biden made a comment that strikes could be avoided if Syria turned over all their chemical weapons to international control. Some say the comment was half serious... but... next thing you know, the Foreign Minister of Russia is urging Syria to do just that.

... and the FM of Syria agreed.

This leads me to wonder.... was this all planned? The President didn't need Congressional approval for a strike, but he asked them for it knowing full well that the House will inevitably say no because... well... they say no to everything he asks them to do. But the serious debate still makes the rest of the world nervous and sabres rattle... then they give an out and it is quickly taken.

The question is... in the long run, will it work?
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Posted on 09-10-13 05:20 PM Link | Quote
This image pretty succinctly points out what I find so ridiculous and oxymoronic about war laws.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/10/the-white-house-may-really-be-about-to-win-on-syria/

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Since: 08-15-04
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Posted on 09-10-13 05:53 PM Link | Quote
Yes. I agree that something should have been done two years ago when this started... the United Nations should have gone above Russia's biased veto and acted to restore order.

But we cannot change the past, no matter how stupid a decision it was. *sigh*

... I mean, honestly... WHY did we let an obviously biased party veto intervention?
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Since: 10-29-04
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Posted on 09-12-13 07:40 AM Link | Quote
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Putin wrote an editorial in the NY Times, interesting read.
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