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Xeoman Ball and Chain Trooper Administrator          Since: 08-14-04 From: 255 Since last post: 89 days Last activity: 78 days |
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| Star Wars was like part of my blood for 90% of my life... so that might not bode well for me! I enjoyed KOTOR2's radically different take on the force, but other than that... I don't know.
Think I'm seeing it tomorrow morning. |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 635 days Last activity: 444 days |
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| I'm also seeing that most of the people who hate it are fanboys pissed that it didn't fit in that predictable mold that they so wanted (and got with "Force Awakens" but still heavily bitched about it.) They've been calling it a dumpster fire and other such things, but haven't actually explained WHY they hate it.
I HAVE, however, seen some men thoroughly pissed because there's so many women in power in it. They'd probably prefer the only women in it were submissive slave girls and let the action figure-able boys run the show. Anyway, I do encourage you to see it and form your own opinion. |
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Xeoman Ball and Chain Trooper Administrator Since: 08-14-04 From: 255 Since last post: 89 days Last activity: 78 days |
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| SPOILERS AHEAD
Walked in expecting to hate it. Walked out emotionless. Binged videos and reviews about it all day. I've come to the conclusion that I hate it and it's the worst Star Wars movie by far. But I think the whole Disney package of films is bad and it will never be the same again. George Lucas at least set out to tell stories and had an imagination. This new stuff on the other hand has absolutely zero vision and they are making it up by the movie. This movie did not even follow up on questions JJ brought us with TFA, two big key things being about Snoke and Rey. Luke was utterly out of character, I commend Mark's great performance, but that was not Luke. This is someone who was ready to sacrifice everything and put down his sword instead of fighting his father to the death, whom murdered the Jedi and was an intergalactic monster everyone feared, Luke believed in him. But here, he merely senses darkness in his nephew and draws his sword ready to kill a child in cold blood. I'm flabbergasted. Not to mention they wanted us to believe that Luke became such a grumpy old guy and has been on this planet for 30 some years only to die, but it takes R2 showing him a little nostalgia and instantly Luke changes his mind. Nothing about the plot convenience of this was believable at all. Superman Leia was hilarious at best, yeah Star Wars has always dipped into fantasy... but that scene was atrocious (Carrie was great in this otherwise). Rose came out of nowhere and was totally pointless. Now with Carrie gone and a bunch of other characters dead, what can anyone say they are truly looking forward to with Episode 9? I don't know if there's a single thread I can find to care about. The casino world sucked. The constant reminder of "running out of fuel" was one of the funniest plot devices I've seen in a bit. And I liked Rey a lot in TFA, but not anymore. Only days pass between 7-8 and she's suddenly knocking down Luke and surpassing everyone, when Luke trained with Yoda for weeks/months. The continuity of the First Order and Resistance after Return of the Jedi makes absolutely no sense to me... I guess taking out the Death Star, The Emperor, and Darth Vader ultimately did nothing and the Rebels further diminished into this tiny rag tag group we're seeing now. This entire movie was a strange standoff between two ships that made no sense... shields and lack of fuel? Also in the beginning, how did Rose's sister drop those bombs out into space with the floor opening and she was just hanging out not getting sucked out into space? WTF? Tons of awful Marvel humor too. The tone and pacing was really bad, I wanted to look at my phone a few times throughout to check the time... Ultimately I have no idea what the plot of this movie on its own was about. A ship runs out of gas, Snoke wanted Rey to use her to lead to Luke but then immediately wants to kill her for some reason, some grumpy man is in Luke's body, Rey goes to train but not really, bunch of characters die and that's about it. Here's a thing... Hayden Christensen was pretty bad in the prequels, but those movies still had SO much more going on around him. These new movies on the other hand ride entirely on the shoulders of Kylo Ren and Rey... and I still absolutely hate Kylo Ren (and Adam Driver I guess). He comes off as a complete bitch and is just annoying. Now that this guy is the final boss and all the other interesting characters are killed off, it's becoming increasingly harder to care at all. Disney Star Wars = notmycanon. I just ordered the first Thrawn trilogy book and am going to get back to watching Clone Wars. Need some real Star Wars to wash this out. I will inevitably watch Episode 9 to see this trainwreck end, but I didn't even care to see Rogue One in theaters already and have no interest whatsoever in a Han Solo or other spinoffs, I don't care or have much interest in the future of Star Wars anymore. This is so sad and devastating as Star Wars was such an iconic series and thing in my life. Lucas sold his soul and Disney has fucking destroyed it. This guy sums it up best for me. Flaws aside, I will again standby that George Lucas had a vision and wanted to tell stories while building up this amazing imaginative world. Disney is making movies based off graphs and charts just to print money. (Last edited by Xeoman on 12-19-17 12:06 AM) |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 635 days Last activity: 444 days |
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| This is PRETTY MUCH how I feel about Marvel movies. Ever since Disney bought them, I've mostly disliked everything that's come out, save the first "Guardians of the Galaxy" and maybe "Ant Man." I'm not a fan of Joss Whedon at all, and it's like they tried to capture his ridiculous snarkiness with EVERY MOVIE now.
Christ do I hate what they're doing with my beloved "Runaways." I've been pulling for DC out of spite these days. Ugh... It all just makes me concerned for whatever will happen with the X-Men and Deadpool now that Disney's essentially acquired them. |
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Xeoman Ball and Chain Trooper Administrator Since: 08-14-04 From: 255 Since last post: 89 days Last activity: 78 days |
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| Yup...
It doesn't seem too far fetched to think Disney will buy DC at some point. ESPN, now Fox, Lucasfilm, Marvel... what's next.  |
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Lord Vulkas Mormonus Vile High Xeodent of Xeomerica.  Since: 10-29-04 From: North Carolina, United States. World, Sol System, milky way Since last post: 96 days Last activity: 96 days |
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| Yeah I'm part of the party that loved VIII. I feel like it changed a lot and was a little anticlimactic with Snoke, but I really liked what they did with Kylo Ren and Rey. When I'm not on a tablet I'll offer more thoughts, but I was a fan.
I'm not sure how I'd rate it compared to the others, but I think that I liked it better than at least I and II. |
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Xeoman Ball and Chain Trooper Administrator Since: 08-14-04 From: 255 Since last post: 89 days Last activity: 78 days |
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Vulkar your layout is all broken and hard to read.  |
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Lord Vulkas Mormonus Vile High Xeodent of Xeomerica. Since: 10-29-04 From: North Carolina, United States. World, Sol System, milky way Since last post: 96 days Last activity: 96 days |
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| Huh, looks like photobucket finally kicked the bucket, I just removed it, lol. | |||
Elara Divine Mamkute Dark Elf Goddess Chaos Imp Penguins Fan Ms. Invisable  Since: 08-15-04 From: Ferelden Since last post: 101 days Last activity: 101 days |
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| Overall, I liked The Last Jedi... though it does have some serious plot issues. I actually like Rose since she seems to be a character that embodies what the Resistance fights for... but yeah, I was rather pissed at how anticlimactic Snoke was... I mean... really?
And the Reylo scenes are good overall, but it just seemed a bit rushed. Maybe if it had stretched out over more time, but it just seemed like it went from "You're a monster, I despise you" to "I feel so alone and you're the only one that gets it" faster than a Formula 1 driver. I mean, I am intrigued... I really am... but it just was too fast. Anyone else feel bad for Hux being reduced to comic relief? I loved the opening bit with him and Poe since it seemed much like something Poe would do... but by the end, I felt bad for him. |
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Xeoman Ball and Chain Trooper Administrator Since: 08-14-04 From: 255 Since last post: 89 days Last activity: 78 days |
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| You guys know my feelings, nobody was answering me on FB haha (probably for the best there...)
I agree Rose could have been a lot better. That whole arc just seemed pointless (if only Poe was told about the plan). Finn was like the one character I felt was the most consistent, but it's too bad everything going on around him was pretty dumb. And did anyone else feel like the anti animal cruelty message was pushed pretty hard? So they freed the animals... and not the child slaves. Kind of funny. I wish I could get into Kylo and Rey like you guys and others. I liked Rey a lot in TFA, but here not at all. Kylo was better, but him together with now Nazi Clown Hux, how am I supposed to be intimated by the First Order with these two calling the shots? Like you said Elara, Rey and Kylo's shift makes no sense. Let's not forget that only mere days separate the events from TFA and TLJ. Days ago she see's Kylo kill his own father, but now she's getting a little blushed seeing him without a shirt and wants to be buddies. Just doesn't seem believable. As a fan of big expansive worlds, imagination, and sci-fi, it really bothers me that this entire movie was basically just like one day of content with two ships at a standstill in space and that's literally about it. The scope of this movie feels so minuscule compared to all the others. This is really Snoke's ship and the leading crew of the Resistance? WTF. The action in Rogue One was 10x better and bigger in scope. |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 635 days Last activity: 444 days |
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I'm not out to defend what others have deemed flaws or tell people that it's the greatest movie ever (I've already conceded that "Coco" was the superior film in terms of story, etc), but I'll just throw some insight onto why I dig it so hard.
Originally posted by Elara We've become spoiled by the slowburn, intricate development we get with TV these days. Relationships and sexual tension builds over the course of seasons. Still, there's people pissed that they didn't kiss or do more. Can't please everyone? Originally posted by Xeoman As for the quick passage of time for things to develop, let's explore that, shall we? Luke Skywalker finds Ben Kenobi in the desert. Ben -- revealing that he's Obi-Wan -- tells Luke about the Force. Cut to a few scenes later when Luke's practicing against the remote with the Legacy saber and Han's cracking wise. Luke gets indignant and says, "You don't believe in the Force, do you?" The kid literally went from 0 to devoutly religious in a matter of hours. He jumped into it with all his heart. If you read enough of the scripts, novelizations, and hell even the descriptions on several of the toys from TFA, they all to some degree hint that Rey and Ben/Kylo are "mysteriously connected." Though she's had some Force sensitivity, it wasn't until the interrogation scene that her power "awakened." Was Kylo the catalyst? Who's to say? Prior to the release, Rian Johnson was tweeting pictures of red thread. This was taken to mean the Red Thread of Fate, a Chinese belief that the gods tie a red string between two people who are destined to be together to help one another through something and ultimately become lovers. Rey and Ben are yin and yang. Not perfectly white or black. Both are conflicted and prone to anger and benevolence. With both of them, there is BALANCE. Believe me, I see TOOOOONS of critical flaws in their relationship, but we're also in a world where space magic exists. |
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Xeoman Ball and Chain Trooper Administrator Since: 08-14-04 From: 255 Since last post: 89 days Last activity: 78 days |
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| I'd have to double check when and where how the progression there with Luke goes, but he does see his home and aunt and uncle burned to death. So he lost everything, putting stock in faith overnight from those dire circumstances seems believable.
I can give it this, TLJ is certainly better than Star Trek Into Darkness haha. Which makes me worry even more about Episode 9 when I remember just how unbalanced JJ can be. Frankly I don't even think he's that great in general. Disney seems afraid to let established veteran directors tackle Star Wars. |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 635 days Last activity: 444 days |
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Originally posted by Xeoman As a Trekker, I completely agree. We'd always felt he was only doing Trek as an audition for Star Wars. We can only hope he's learned from the errors he made with "Into Darkness." Still, at least the Trek movies are only meant to be an alternate universe, not canon. I'm just glad the guy who did "Jurassic World" has been fired off Episode IX. |
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Xeoman Ball and Chain Trooper Administrator Since: 08-14-04 From: 255 Since last post: 89 days Last activity: 78 days |
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Originally posted by RogueOriginally posted by Xeoman Yeah that could have been very bad haha. Jurassic World... somehow the next one looks even worse. |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 635 days Last activity: 444 days |
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| As terrible as it's "Jurassic World" was not great. It had its moments, but there was a lot of shit to sit through in the interim. I wouldn't have trusted that director with this. |
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Elara Divine Mamkute Dark Elf Goddess Chaos Imp Penguins Fan Ms. Invisable Since: 08-15-04 From: Ferelden Since last post: 101 days Last activity: 101 days |
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| Space Magic is a good point. And I think a lot of the issues with the plot otherwise were because there was not much communication between JJ and Rian going into writing the script for TLJ so threads that JJ left in TFA were changed or ignored and it seemed a bit off because of that. Totally agree that JJ is better than the guy who did Jurassic World... cause yeah... no. Even though I was half expecting a riff from Beastie Boys to end up in the soundtrack of TFA somewhere when I heard he was doing it.
I guess I am one of the people that feels the new trilogy would have benefited from coming up with a trilogy arc idea before writing the scripts so there was development and overall cohesion... granted, Carrie passing would have forced a rewrite of Episode IX anyway. I just hope they give Leia a good end. |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 635 days Last activity: 444 days |
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| There was just as much divisiveness when Empire came out. People were shocked at how the optimistic ending they got with "Star Wars" would carry on to a film that ultimately bummed everyone out. Luke loses his hand? Han's frozen in carbonite? Darth Vader's Luke's father? WHAAAAAAT?!
And they were pretty much writing the original trilogy movie to movie. It's the Lucas way. TLJ was at least fleshed out around the same time TFA was shooting. Getting deeper into this new generation (I'm currently reading the TFA novelization, which expands in various directions and is canon. I've read the script and have been watching/reading behind-the-scenes stuff), so many things that were in TLJ were ultimately presented within TFA and the extended universe books and Rian Johnson just carried them over. I mean, it's been neat seeing TFA with fresher eyes. I can go over each of the points of contention, if we really want. Let me start with one point, though: The First Order are NOT meant to be Nazis. They are neo-Nazis. Something far worse and easily findable within our universe. They're the impressionable youth who saw what one fucked up generation did and are going, "I could do that! Yes, I found my place!" These could be ANYBODY within your acquaintance. Snoke says on Hux leaving and Kylo entering the scene, "You wonder why I keep a rabid cur in such a place of power? A cur's weakness, properly manipulated, can be a sharp tool." This is to say he's keeping both of them in their places of power -- as incompetent and ridiculous as they seem -- because he's ultimately just pulling their strings, making them dance while toying with their egos, and keeping confident that neither one will attempt to overthrow him. Hux and Kylo have a lot in common (both have killed their fathers, both are denied higher ranks by Snoke [Hux is technically Grand Marshall, but is still only a general, Kylo's constantly put down as a stupid kid apprentice, etc], and of course both of them want to rule the galaxy. Based on the end shots of Hux, he's MOST LIKELY going to stage a coup against Kylo, thus being the big villain in Episode IX. Now the "running out of gas" storyline -- what's the problem? The Resistance was backed by the New Republic. Hux carried out a genocide on them in TFA, blowing away the New Republic. The First Order caught them in the middle of evacuation with dwindling resources and they probably figured so long as they made a jump to get away from the First Order, they'd be fine picking up fuel elsewhere. Hyperspace tracking is completely new tech, something that came up in "Rogue One," and now Hux is using it. So long as the Raddus stayed out of the Supremacy's destructive range, since its smaller and can move faster on thrusters, their shields kept them from getting taken out. It's stalling, sure, but they needed to form a plan, thus Holdo coming up with hiding on Crait. Why didn't Holdo just tell Poe her plan to begin with? Because the plan was need-to-know and he was demoted for his brashness. He, Finn, and Rose conspired to "save" the Resistance with this longshot master cracker plan that everyone in the audience expected would work. They didn't inform Holdo of it. And then when Poe DOES find out Holdo's plan, what did he do? He threw a tantrum and then spread the confidential information to Finn and Rose, who were on speaker phone with DJ in the room, thus the info getting sold to the First Order and hundreds of Resistance members getting slaughtered when their shuttles are detected. Had Poe just accepted Holdo's command, they would have escaped to Crait without incident to hide out. Poe FINALLY learns that not everything can be solved by jumping in an X-wing and blowing things up, that retreat is a VALID strategy, and that potential losses should be considered. It's like how in a lot of superhero movies, the hero is just destroying the city, taking out buildings here and there (even if accidentally), probably killing thousands of people, to take out the one bad guy. And fuck yes on Holdo just turning around and taking out dozens of Star Destroyers and the Supremacy. I've seen a lot of complaints about how the bombs got dropped from Paige's ship. All right. Star Wars vessels have plasma windows that are usually ever present. It's why Star Destroyers have those gaping hangars that look like they just open into vacuous space with TIE fighters flying in and out while troopers are just standing in formation next to parked ships. There's an invisible barrier. That's MY assumption when it came to the bomber. Why did the bombs just continue to drop in zero gravity? Because the ships are outfitted with gravity generation, hence why no one just floats around inside them. Once the bombs are released within that false gravity and enter into space inertia takes over and they continue in a straight line with no friction to slow, stop, or redirect them. This is just the way physics works within their universe, and yes, it's more fantasy and fairy tale than science. Originally posted by Xeoman Sort of the point. Kylo Ren's an insecure kid in a mask. He tries to be punk, but Rey exposes that insecurity while he's interrogating her in TFA. "You ... you're afraid that you will never be as strong as Darth Vader." He's been living in the shadow of this iconic villain ever since Snoke took him. He destroys the mask and thus you never hear the Imperial March sound cues again thereafter. And getting to his backstory: Mom and Dad abandoned him to their respective lives -- Leia to politics and Han to smuggling and roguing around with Chewie. He especially nope'd the fuck out of there when his son started showing force sensitivity. So young Ben Solo, having no real parental influence in his life gets dumped on Uncle Luke to be his padawan. Luke then goes through the internal struggle of whether or not to kill him (following along the "Would you go back in time and kill Hitler as a child, if given the chance?" hypothetical.) The one place he felt he could turn was an inexplicable, all-powerful being who Stockholm'd him and offered to teach him how to be a badass motherfucker too. During that time, he didn't learn how to properly speak to women, how to express love or compassion, or how to achieve his goals without resorting to violence. The universe failed him, just as it failed Rey, another abandoned soul (what gives gravitas to him saying to her, "You're not alone" and her, "You're not either.") He has a warped sense of right and wrong, which follows with how Adam Driver says he plays Kylo. As he put it, Kylo doesn't see himself as evil, just that he believes he's doing what he considers is right by any means necessary. You then get into the debate of, "What is evil?" Everyone we deem evil just thinks they're doing what is right. This is how they justify genocide, murder, rape, etc. Take Hux wiping out the planets of the New Republic. It's to fit within Snoke's plan of "restoring order" and Hux was following orders. As for Luke: 
No character should be completely perfect (be it absolutely good or evil.) |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 635 days Last activity: 444 days |
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"Black Panther" was pretty good. 
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 635 days Last activity: 444 days |
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| Since the last post I've seen "Infinity War" and "Solo." I vastly preferred "Solo."
I'm just very over the Marvelverse. Then again, didn't stop me from finally sitting down and reading "Infinity Gauntlet."  |
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Lord Alexandor Knight Discord Manager  Since: 10-15-06 From: Dayton, OH Since last post: 1386 days Last activity: 77 days |
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| I really like the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but Infinity War was a bit...dramatic? IDK, it wasn't my favorite. I did really like Solo, though! It was a nice change of pace for the Star Wars Universe. =D |
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