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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance         Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 633 days Last activity: 442 days |
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| A student from my college was in downtown Long Beach over the weekend and happened to catch police beating someone on his camcorder.
Yesterday at school police barged into the student's class and demanded the tape. They did not have a warrant and they would not allow him to call his lawyer or make a copy of the tape. The whole time they demanded, "Give us the tape or go to jail!" He gave police the camcorder, but it's still unclear if they got the tape or not. The whole story was told to my newspaper through e-mails and phone calls from students and the teacher in the class. Personally, I'm very pissed off. This is America. We aren't supposed to have gestapo or secret police, but apparently the police can continually believe they are above the law here. I was in a situation like this, not too long ago. While taking pictures of a stolen truck that was used in a high speed chase, police demanded that I give them my camera and delete what pictures I had or I'd be taken in. They had no right to do that as 1) as a member of the press, so long as there wasn't a line placed there to keep me away I can take pictures or be where I please for a story, 2) they have no control over my camera or those pictures, and 3) I was in public and I was not committing a crime. These police that attempted to arrest that student had ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to take anything from him or deny him his rights like that. (Last edited by Rogue on 03-09-05 12:29 AM) |
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avatar of law Beezo  Since: 12-29-04 From: paris, canada Since last post: 5767 days Last activity: 5767 days |
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| well, maybe that's a renegade cop who is trying to use scare tatics to save his job or something. anyways, my suggestion is to talk to professor greg slaugher about what you/he/she or whoever can do to take recourse against the city, and hopefully get some cash or something out of it. (Last edited by avatar of law on 03-08-05 09:32 PM) |
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Kaijin Surohm Living the dream  Since: 08-16-04 Since last post: 1676 days Last activity: 863 days |
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Magical. Another reason why I don't trust the police. Police Brutality 
If I were in that situation, Id state loud and clear for my class to be a witness: "I won't give you my tape. Or is recording Police Brutality a crime? You going to beat me down now too like that one bystander?" Then if he would have touched me, I would have sued the police system. |
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Cyro Xero Rune Mage  Rave Atom  Since: 02-23-05 From: Minnesota!! Since last post: 49 days Last activity: 49 days |
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| Well, I can tell one thing, if it happened to me and they didn't have a warrent or anything I'm ot so sure I'd mind going to jail. Those police obviously wanted to cover up what they had done. That means I would have something to use against them. I want to know something. Just how did they know who the person was that got the incident on video? | |||
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 633 days Last activity: 442 days |
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| That's a good question and really I don't know how the police could have known, but police don't just appear in a class room at a random college demanding a videotape and threatening imprisonment.
One thing's for sure, the story's running on the front page of my paper this week. We have the witnesses and all. |
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Elara Divine Mamkute Dark Elf Goddess Chaos Imp Penguins Fan Ms. Invisable  Since: 08-15-04 From: Ferelden Since last post: 99 days Last activity: 99 days |
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| Urge to destroy world... rising...
Gods, I can't believe that they got away with that. I mean, honestly what the fuck is up with the Long Beach PD?!?!?! I mean first the whole thing with the rapes on campus and now this? And people wonder why I hate cops. Why do I see Darkfang becoming more and more possible as the days go by? It's supposed to be fiction dammit! |
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Déesse Sailor Déesse Mistress of Pink Ambition is a poor excuse for not having enough sense to be lazy  Since: 08-14-04 From: The Moon Since last post: 6564 days Last activity: 6296 days |
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| That's really low, obisously the police had done something they don't want anyone to know, yeah you hear police beating people all the time, but it's still wrong.
And yeah I wonder how they found out  The police have too much power and they abuse it and it's the bad police that make all police look bad  |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 633 days Last activity: 442 days |
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| The story ran on the front page of the local paper this morning and was on a few news broadcasts last night.
Video captures Pine melee Police seek LBCC student's images of fight outside Vault By Kristopher Hanson Staff writer LONG BEACH — A Long Beach City College student showed images Tuesday of a melee he captured on digital video following a recent downtown Long Beach concert by controversial rapper The Game. The digital video recording reviewed by the Press-Telegram shows a series of fights involving more than a dozen men outside of The Vault 350 nightclub on Pine Avenue about 12:30 a.m. Saturday as the Compton performer finished his show. Filmed by video production student Roderick Williams, 40, the images show police breaking up one of the brawls with verbal orders, Tasers and batons — footage he claims officers tried to confiscate Monday after he showed it to classmates and LBCC instructors. "Three cops came to my class (Monday), cornered me outside the front door and told me to hand over the video camera or I was gonna go to jail," Williams said. "I really didn't know what to do at that point, but it just didn't seem legal." Williams, who attended the rowdy hip-hop concert to film footage for the college's cable news program, said he reluctantly handed over his video camera to police, but without the digital video disc. Once officers had the camera, Williams said he walked off before they figured out the disc was not inside. "To be honest, I was nervous," said Williams. "I didn't know what they were going to do to me, so I basically ran off." Police wanted the video footage to review the fights and identify suspects for evidence gathering and to evaluate the officers' use of force, said LBPD spokeswoman Nancy Pratt. Police said they learned of the tape after Williams first approached one of their officers and offered to sell them a copy. When the officer told Williams she could not purchase a copy, he allegedly left, and the officer notified investigators, who decided the video was evidence of a crime. Williams denies attempting to show or sell the video to an officer. (Williams was paid a standard freelance rate of $50 by the Press-Telegram Tuesday for the still image of the fight used with this report.) In one scene, several uniformed police officers rush into the intersection at Pine Avenue and Fourth Street to break up a brawl. Police can be heard yelling for the men to stop fighting, and at least one man is seen dropping to the ground after being hit with a jolt from an officer's Taser. The man was taken to a hospital for observation, then arrested. Two other men are filmed being hit with batons as they lie on the ground, though it was unclear from the video what led up to them being struck. Police contend they have a legal right to obtain the footage, but are willing to make Williams a copy. "Knowing that there is evidence on the tape relating to criminal activity that had occurred, we need to have the tape to further our investigation and assist in the prosecution of the individuals arrested," Pratt said. Pratt said that Williams' video camera is available to be picked up from Police Department headquarters at any time. As for the unidentified officers' use of batons and Taser Guns outside the concert, police said they are still reviewing the incident, but use of force in such situations is often required, Pratt said. "Use-of-force incidents are never pretty, but they are sometimes necessary to gain control of a situation," Pratt said. "Our priority is to protect the public. We have no choice but to contain the situation before anyone gets seriously injured." Officers said those shown in the video being subdued by Taser and a baton were arrested for fighting in public, adding that no one has filed complaints against officers in relation to the incident. Williams said he was so upset by his encounter with police that he filed a complaint Tuesday with the department's Internal Affairs Division, alleging officers threatened and harassed him and took his personal property without merit. Police declined to comment on Williams' allegations, citing the investigation into his complaint. At the heart of the dispute is nearly 15 minutes of grainy post-concert footage Williams said he captured after sensing "something was gonna happen." The video shows large groups of men and women at first milling about, then engaging in street brawls outside the concert venue and in an adjacent public parking garage. It was unknown if anyone was hospitalized. Officers arrested several people for fighting and public intoxication outside the concert, where The Game had escalated his verbal assault against his former mentor, superstar 50 Cent. At one point, The Game jumped onstage, ripped off his bulletproof vest and challenged 50 Cent to shoot him, according to witnesses. The two have been feuding publicly for weeks, with The Game claiming a member of 50 Cent's entourage shot an associate Feb. 28 outside a New York City radio station. In that incident, New York police arrived on scene to find a 24-year-old Compton man suffering from a non-life threatening wound. No one has been arrested. Aware of the simmering rap war, Long Beach Police deployed dozens of officers to the Vault 350 on Friday in an effort to prevent further bloodshed. |
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geeogree Ninji Since: 10-19-04 Since last post: 5174 days Last activity: 267 days |
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| it seems to me like msot of what happened was legal....
and I personally and tired of hearing about people badgering the police about everything they do.... we shouldn't be policing the police |
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X Marks the Spot Banned. Lack of maturity Hack threats IM Harassment  Since: 10-06-04 From: Petaluma, CA Since last post: 6669 days Last activity: 6555 days |
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| I would be really pissed off by this... But mainly because they took my tape.
Besides that, police suck, what else is new? |
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Spartan Metal battleaxe Is back. Kind of. Since: 11-15-04 Since last post: 88 days Last activity: 77 days |
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| WTF!!!!!
What the hell were they thinking... What is this world coming to... |
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Jin Posting Pig Not Dead  Since: 01-12-05 From: Nowhere Since last post: 2680 days Last activity: 2540 days |
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| Yet another side effect of The Patriotic Act. People think this kind of bullshit is acceptable by any means.
Excuse me while I throw up. |
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Jexim Asuka  Since: 10-07-04 From: California Since last post: 6462 days Last activity: 6339 days |
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| theres always going to be corruption in the world... laws are made to keep us in line... rites are made to keep us happy... when one or the other is broken it is the job of the state to fix it... but if the state would have to go through more trouble doing it the right way... they'll do it the fast way...
As the Honorable Mayor William J Leppetamain once, so elegantly, put it: "We have to protect our phonybalony jobs gentleman" -Mel Brooks, Blazing Saddles |
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01001000 Slow Ride Take It Easy  Since: 01-10-05 Since last post: 6526 days Last activity: 5876 days |
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| What the fuck???
I thought threatening people was illegal, in person, over the internet, or even on the phone... When will the horrors end...never i guess. |
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DarkGuardian Swordfighter  Since: 01-15-05 From: The Shadowlands Since last post: 6385 days Last activity: 5344 days |
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| Ok first things first.... WTF. This stuff is so messed up and everything.
If it were me I would have refused to give up the tape and gone to jail, I will not let some cop trample on my rights becasue they were doing something wrong. I must agree with Elara on this one.... Urge to destroy the world rising. |
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Belial Bazu Since: 01-29-05 From: New Zealand Since last post: 4364 days Last activity: 3978 days |
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Originally posted by geeogree It isn't legal. They needed to explain why they needed the tape. It might have even been that it was being used as evidence. And I believe it was Roosevelt who said we need to question authority. And back on topic- that is really bizzare... =/ (Last edited by Belial on 03-09-05 06:48 PM) |
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Boondock Saint Paragoomba  Since: 08-31-04 From: Holiday Inn Since last post: 7058 days Last activity: 6583 days |
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| you cant blame police in general though, i mean you have your crooked cops and your noble ones, so you cant judge all cops off of this ones actions, who's really just a rent a cop working on a campus, which are more likely to abuse their power. Much like mall security. But about barraging in and demanding the tape with out a warrent or anything but the threat of going to jail, yeah i would be pretty pissed off. (Last edited by Boondock Saint on 03-09-05 08:23 PM) |
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Elara Divine Mamkute Dark Elf Goddess Chaos Imp Penguins Fan Ms. Invisable Since: 08-15-04 From: Ferelden Since last post: 99 days Last activity: 99 days |
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| Um, Boondock... it wasn't a "rent-a-cop", it was a police officer of the city of Long Beach that came onto campus and did this.
My mention of the campus police was something else, although to note, our campus security is also Long Beach PD, we don't use rent-a-cops anymore. |
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avatar of law Beezo Since: 12-29-04 From: paris, canada Since last post: 5767 days Last activity: 5767 days |
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| i dunno what to say now, after reading this for the first time, my reaction was wtf, but still, i knew there was more to the story. now that it has been days, and that i've read more into it both in newspapers and on the news, i'm inclined in favor of the officers, because people always tend to blow things out of proportion when it comes to the police. but anyways... i heard they wanted the tape so they can review more about what happened and to use it to arrest more people, and less on cover-ups and also to see if the force they used was legal. anyways, all i'm saying is that you cant really believe what you see or hear anymore.
just today we had an exercise in my law class... without any warning or anything, some lady came into our class room and yelled at a student in the back of the room about how he was cheating on her sister and things like that. i had a clear view of what she looked like and everything. after she left, the teacher was all, this was an exercise... now get out a sheet of paper and write down everything about what you heard and saw. then we got into groups to try and recall what she wore and all that. to my memory, she was 22 years old, 5'4'' and was wearing a tan robe like coat. she was black with black hair and tan streaks. anyways, after we were done, he brought her back, i was totally wrong in every aspect. she was 5'9'' and 27 years old wearing all gray and black, no tan whatsoever, and her hair was plain black... i couldnt believe it. that taught me a lot today... (Last edited by avatar of law on 03-10-05 02:58 AM) |
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Elara Divine Mamkute Dark Elf Goddess Chaos Imp Penguins Fan Ms. Invisable Since: 08-15-04 From: Ferelden Since last post: 99 days Last activity: 99 days |
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| Interesting.
I think that the main thing that the police did do wrong is that they did not tell the student what the tape was needed for. What are you gonna think when a cop corners you like that and says "give up the camera or you're going to jail"? If they had told him they needed it for evidence then perhaps there would be no issue. |
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