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Cyro Xero Rune Mage  Rave Atom          Since: 02-23-05 From: Minnesota!! Since last post: 49 days Last activity: 49 days |
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| It's times like these when you have to ask:
Would being gay seem so wrong to others if religion weren't around? What factor made religion oppose homosexuality? Why is is that just about every known religion, if not all, is against homosexualilty? I think about those questions sometimes when I see/hear discussions about "gay" people. What makes it wrong? What makes it okay? Noetheless, as Rogue said before, that list was just showing something, it wasn't meant for a debate to start. Let's try to keep thise to comments about that. It wasn't just Geogree who was going off topic, it was everybody. |
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AlpoRaggins Troubadour Not so much dead. Since: 12-11-04 From: Someday, Somewhere, Over the Rainbow Since last post: 6612 days Last activity: 6501 days |
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| You are absolutely right Cairoi - love really is one's personal business, and no legal nor religious reasons should keep them from loving eachother.
Nobody should EVER EVER EVER be kept from being close the the one they love. I grew up in a household with a lesbian mother who never has, and never planned on getting married to her lover - be this as it may, she is still living with the one she loves, doing whatever she pleases with her. People have absolutely no right to retain a person from the one they love. They should be free to do whatever they please when it comes down to the topic of love. Those who oppose gay marriage are simply suguring up their thoughts - they don't like gay people. They don't! They think it is disgusting, and if they say that I'm wrong in saying so, you better damn well stop lying to yourself cause its probably unhealthy for you to think that way. You're married Geeo. If the Bible told you you couldn't love you're wife, would you still follow God's word? "DUH OF COURSE I WOULD". I can read your mind. You're far to devout to let love to get in your way from heaven. How selfish. Would that sort of thinking allow you into heaven? How would your wife feel? Thinking this is off topic, are we? Getting irate? As irate as all the gay people who have to deal with conservative bullshit (which is an oxymoron I think) just so they can truly be free? What if the gay lovers were Hindu, or Muslim? Would you care then? Honestly, you won't, its not you're religion to deal with. No Christian should be sinning... but those two dotheads over there are, oh well. Don't lie to yourself (refer paragraph three of this post). Guess what? You're neighbors could be gay! Fucking in the bedroom across your street, sucking the shit off of eachothers penises! But do you ask? Do you really know? Do you WANT to know? Do you CARE to know? You don't care. As long as they say their Christian and they are nothing but roommates, you don't care. They're going to heaven oh hallelujah! Vulkar - sorry if my post was offensive to you. I know you have some of Geeo's morals, but at least you have the decency to not fly off the handle with zealousness like the him and I. How I wish I could be badass and say "Oh, and btw I'm not looking back at this thread." but I love the thrill of seeing someone try to tear me apart. Try me, I'm a paper bag - full of air and easy to fill with shit and light on fire. How my metaphors are lacking lately... |
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Astrophel Fear will kill your mind and steal your love as sure as anything; Fear will rob you blind and make you numb to others suffering  Since: 10-03-04 From: Azul Lux Orbital, Kirin Beta Since last post: 2479 days Last activity: 1330 days |
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Judging from your apparent views, I don't think oxymoron's the word you're looking for. Also, I'd like to ask that you not put words in people's mouths. Of course, that's not usually an issue for you as far as I've seen, so I don't expect a problem. 
Oh, and geeo won't be replying for a few days. Kaijin forumbanned him. Evo: I handle moderation in public, and I have (what I feel are) good reasons to do so. It has nothing to do with public humiliation, and if you'd like to know what those reasons are, go ahead and PM me. Just please do not act like a mod, I point to the FAQ - Don't #14 I think... uh, wait, 12. Off the moderation note, now that I FINALLY thought of a way to say what I wanted. Here's my reasoning for my views... What do we have - rather, what do we know (not believe) we have? One lifetime. 100 years if we're lucky. Now, the way I see it, that's pretty limited. So people should be allowed to enjoy their life while they have the chance - and this includes not being persecuted for who they love. Another way of looking at it is that love is a good thing. Why should such an emotion be the bringer of so much controversy? Are people that consumed with anger, hatred, and selfishness that just seeing two people happy makes them look for reasons to try to ruin that? |
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Lord Vulkas Mormonus Vile High Xeodent of Xeomerica.  Since: 10-29-04 From: North Carolina, United States. World, Sol System, milky way Since last post: 94 days Last activity: 94 days |
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Originally posted by J. Literal Oddly enough, you are closer to the truth than you realize. Now, they actual gay people, I have no problem with. However, I do have a problem with them being gay, and I do think its disgusting. Even so, there are many gay people who are moral, helpful, and good people in other ways. If I said I would be hating Gay people, then I would say that I hate the funders of about 15,000 dollars to my family each year. I would be ungrateful to say that. Also, just so all of you know, the goverment does have the right to not allow any marriage, between any couple. Marriage is a legal contract, which the goverment, and the people getting married sign. If the goverment wishes, it could cancel the contract, or not allow it at all. But still, everyone makes good points about this, though I have yet to see any scientific evidence that it is natural, other than that other people have done it in the past, or that animals have also done it. I think it would be good if someone could find that. |
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avatar of law Beezo  Since: 12-29-04 From: paris, canada Since last post: 5767 days Last activity: 5767 days |
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| on an off topic comment, i always wondered why most gay ppl are feminine, or opposite of what their real gender is.
anyways... as someone pointed out about heaven... why would the devout care so much about what others are doing? i mean, supposibly those types of ppl wont get into heaven regardless, so why bother trying to do something about them? just worry about yourself, and go to your stupid heaven. but nooooo, they wanna "save" the entire world by changing it to their own morals and views. blah.... but you know... with the recent judges retiring, and whatnot... i can see a world of change happening in the coming decades. anyways, back on topic... no one's addressing what i said eariler about how if it's legalized, it'll cripple our justice system. i know it's not for legal grounds of why it shouldnt be legalized, but it is a concern... |
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01001000 Slow Ride Take It Easy  Since: 01-10-05 Since last post: 6526 days Last activity: 5876 days |
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Originally posted by avatar of law 1) About females being gay, there is a larger population of females and women are naturally more open with their feelings. And you really can't count how many people how Earth are gay, bi, or strait since there is no actual number. There is a small percentage of people who are 100% straight, there is a small percentage of people who are 100% bisexual, there is a small percentage of people who are 100% homosexual. Everyone who is not 100% in a category just go into whatever category they are closest to. 2)gay people opposite of what their real gender is? I'm confused, but gay people have sex with people of the same gender  |
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Evo Red Super Koopa Watching you fall brings joy to my heart....  Since: 08-16-04 From: Oregon Since last post: 6108 days Last activity: 6048 days |
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| He wasn't talking about lesbians, she was talking about gay men that act a lot like women. And lesbians who are "butch" and act like men.
Maybe they don't feel comfortable in their current body, they feel out of place. Like they're not one with their gender. I saw a show like that somewhere. THe dude had a sex change. But I think that's different... In a gay relationship, one will often take the role of a female and one the role of a male. In the example of my friends, Kevin and Tyson, Kevin was the "wife." He cooked, crochetted (lol, right form of the word?), and so on. Tyson was into the computers and the technilogical aspect of things. Tamarin, I'm just trying to keep things calm for everyone's sakes. The mods just seemed to me making it worse, in my opinion.  I don't want this thread to turn into a flame-war, and I'm sure you don't either. If it gets out of hand, I'm sure anyone would willingly report it to Xeo, not just me. |
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Astrophel Fear will kill your mind and steal your love as sure as anything; Fear will rob you blind and make you numb to others suffering Since: 10-03-04 From: Azul Lux Orbital, Kirin Beta Since last post: 2479 days Last activity: 1330 days |
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| If it gets out of hand, I'd close it. Of course, one reason I usually handle moderation publicly is that people usually shut the hell up after I initially said something, so it doesn't take longer than one post to kick the thread back on track.
avatar: I'm not sure what comments you're referring to in that final paragraph., and I've searched the entire thread. Did I overlook something? (Last edited by Tamarin Calanis on 11-15-05 01:25 AM) |
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avatar of law Beezo Since: 12-29-04 From: paris, canada Since last post: 5767 days Last activity: 5767 days |
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Originally posted by Tamarin Calanis page two, 4th post, right under zabuza "now all opinions aside... let's get back to reality. supposibly the church is the thing that grants marriages, ie that guy who says you may kiss the bride/groom. now, there's also judges and the likes who can preform marriages. if gays were alllowed to get married... obviously, they wouldnt/couldnt get married in a church. they'd have to go to a judge and what have you. our courts today are already swamped. if we add more work load to our judges, the system will suffer. in order to balance this, we'd have to invent something else other than a judge. also, divorced rates are high as it is, adding more eligible citizens will not only add fuel, but may perhaps destroy the entire justice system. seriously, it wouldnt destroy it, but you have to admit, our courts are filled as it is. it's sad that this could be a reason, but again, it's not a very strong, or legal excuse to not allow other ppl to get married. " but yeah hobo... you totally misread what i said =/ (Last edited by avatar of law on 11-15-05 01:51 AM) |
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Evo Red Super Koopa Watching you fall brings joy to my heart.... Since: 08-16-04 From: Oregon Since last post: 6108 days Last activity: 6048 days |
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| In regards to that post that we aparently all missed, Avatar...
There has been something else that is invented. I don't know what you call them. But there are people like my mother who have the legal right to perform ceremonies. Then all you need to do is go to City hall and sign a marriage license and you're done. My friends got married in the San Francisco city hall, and my step-mum and my dad got married there too. Of course, the ceremony doesn't have to be IN city hall. Heh. |
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The Magical Being Merchant  Since: 11-02-05 From: Wisconsin Since last post: 6906 days Last activity: 6892 days |
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Originally posted by avatar of law I would refrain from using ' most ' . I'm sure you don't know most of the gay population . Whos to say whats feminine and whats not ?! Definition of feminine: Characterized by or possessing qualities attributed to a woman. There are many different types of woman through out the world with many different qualities . A higher pitched voice does not make someone feminine nor does there neatly pressed outfit . Just so , a woman with a lower tone to her voice shouldn't be deemed as being butch . People should be seen as people and not as a gender . Lets not be ignorant in 2005 people . Wake up , the coffee is getting cold ! |
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avatar of law Beezo Since: 12-29-04 From: paris, canada Since last post: 5767 days Last activity: 5767 days |
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| wow... someone's looking for a fight... but you know, you are right about everything, however...
to defend myself, i'll also use your logic. i too am sure you dont know most of the gay population to say that "most" would not be the applicable word; i would however retract that word if you do indeed know most of the gay population and could prove me otherwise. until then, i think "most" should surfice as the applicable word. and to address everything else, yeah, there are no true characteristic of a woman, but however, i AM using the word within the correct use of our american lexicon. i mean, why wouldnt i be talking about america? this is a discussion about america's problem, is it not? i mean, damn, it doesnt matter what a word means if the lexicon is something else. if one day i decided to say "die" as a greeting, and somehow convince 30 million people in california to say "die" as a greeting, die's meaning would change and it would mean hello instead in california. so yeah, no one decides what femine means, but the lexicon and usage of it decides everything. as much as i hate coffee, i'd prefer to drink it ice cold... so please, don't assume i'm ignorant. (Last edited by avatar of law on 11-18-05 01:39 AM) |
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The Magical Being Merchant Since: 11-02-05 From: Wisconsin Since last post: 6906 days Last activity: 6892 days |
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saying that most gays are feminine is ignorant !  |
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Astrophel Fear will kill your mind and steal your love as sure as anything; Fear will rob you blind and make you numb to others suffering Since: 10-03-04 From: Azul Lux Orbital, Kirin Beta Since last post: 2479 days Last activity: 1330 days |
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| Saying that most *insert group here* are *insert adjective here* is ignorant, so why don't you just drop that part of the discussion and move on, hm? It never gets anywhere and results in a bunch of unpleasantness. (Last edited by Tamarin Calanis on 11-17-05 01:04 AM) |
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Evo Red Super Koopa Watching you fall brings joy to my heart.... Since: 08-16-04 From: Oregon Since last post: 6108 days Last activity: 6048 days |
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| Yes, that would be a good idea.
I think what really implants this myth into our m inds is the way we always see gays. When you see a guy walking around, wearing makeup, talking with a lisp, you know almost for sure he's a gay guy. But there are others out there whom you wouldn't guess it unless you knew them and they told you (For examples, again : My friends, Tyson and his friend, Eric) *Shrugs* TV is our friend. :/ |
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geeogree Ninji Since: 10-19-04 Since last post: 5174 days Last activity: 267 days |
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| you know what doesn't make sense in this thread (to me at least)....
what does marriage have to do with love? who's stopping homosexuals from being in love? I'm sure not. They have every right to be in love. I'm not stopping them. And why do they need (or want) to get married? How is it expressing their love any better? I got married for religious reasons more than I did legal/secular. So the whole focus on love and homosexuality is a pretty weak argument to me. People live together and are in love all the time and they aren't married. They can do in private what they want to and there isn't much that anyone can do to stop them. And I'm fine with that. You want to do that in private then be my guest. However, I'm opposed to that lifestyle being celebrated openly. Why is there a parade for people that love someone of the same gender? The population of homosexuals is already small (estimated at around 1%) and openly homosexual people have been polled and not all of them want to be married. So, we're making a big deal out of less than 1% of the population because they want to be "equal"? [sigh] |
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Evo Red Super Koopa Watching you fall brings joy to my heart.... Since: 08-16-04 From: Oregon Since last post: 6108 days Last activity: 6048 days |
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| Geeogree, it's about taking someone's RIGHTS away.
I deeply love my fiance. I would get married in a heartbeat if I could have an insta-perrfect wedding. But if someone told me that I couldn't get married, it wouldn't be recognized as a legal bond, I'd be fucking pissed. People get married all the time for other things, religion, money, whatever. But NO ONE should have any of their rights taken away because of any one difference from any other human being. You're looking at it the wrong way. "1%" as oopsed to "2 million people" or whatever the actual number is. Not everyone wants to get married, gay or not, but those that do want to get married should not be stopped. If you want to make a religious ceremony out of your marriage, then fine, let it be spiritual. But I ca assure you, I, with all my heart, want to get married, but I can garantee you that it will be without God. I don't believe in Him, and I don't think I ever will. Marriage NOW is about a bond, not about a belief. If you followed the Bible or any Holy Text word for word, you'd life a very dull life. |
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天国JOE ���A�ǂ��ɂȂ�̂���낤�H Since: 09-02-04 From: Destroy Tower Since last post: 4024 days Last activity: 3390 days |
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Originally posted by geeogree1. Who's stopping heteros from being in love? I'm sure not. They have every right to be in love. And why do heteros need (or want) to be married? How is it expressing their love any better? Saying someone can't be married because their gay is basically the same as saying someone can't get married because they're *insert race here*. They're people. Your a person, they're a person. All we are are people ,no higher than any other. We deserve to the same rights as another, we shouldn't be having things taken away or treated completely differently (in a different manner) because we look, think, or feel differently than another group of people. The majority. Oh well, they're gay. So what? They're just the same as you. A person. That's all. They deserve the same individuals rights as you. 2. Why is there a parade people of the theater? Or people of a certain union or something? Because they're expressing who they are. What's wrong with being gay openly? Are you going to attack a Jewish man for celebration his religion openly? Onoz! 
3. [sigh] As for the "So, we're making a big deal out of less than 1% of the population because they want to be "equal"?" thing, your basically saying that we shouldn't give a shit about a "minority". That since there is only a "certain percentage" of them, and it is a small percentage, that we shouldn't make a big deal about what they want. Boo-hoo, they want the right to get married. It's not like it's inflicting on you, silly goose. As for the reasons Rogue originally posted, I say to them: lawl. |
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geeogree Ninji Since: 10-19-04 Since last post: 5174 days Last activity: 267 days |
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Evo Red Super Koopa Watching you fall brings joy to my heart.... Since: 08-16-04 From: Oregon Since last post: 6108 days Last activity: 6048 days |
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| Try making your posts a little longer and purposeful, hun.
Actually, it is. You may not like it, but this country doesn't have an assigned religion. Therefore, the people that reside here should not have to follow its rules. Many hetero couples get married when they don't believe in God, so why can't homosexuals? And going off that, why can't gay people have religion. I've known many hardcore Christians that do things out of Text from the Bible (tattoos, sex before marriage and whatnot). I've never met a gay Christian before, but then again, I've only met like three gay people. :/ |
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