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Astrophel Fear will kill your mind and steal your love as sure as anything; Fear will rob you blind and make you numb to others suffering          Since: 10-03-04 From: Azul Lux Orbital, Kirin Beta Since last post: 2479 days Last activity: 1330 days |
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Originally posted by Solid Sajin I... you... that... *Thexare Blademoon bangs his head on a brick wall You cannot possibly be that ignorant, Sajin. The ridicule, the insults, the harassment, sometimes actual physical violence (pretty rare, but not entirely unheard of). You cannot tell me with a straight face that you don't know what I'm talking about. |
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt  Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4556 days Last activity: 4550 days |
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| Ok, now I understand.
Because they choose to. Like I choose to be a christian, in which every day I get ridiculed for it in public or while im at concerts. But you know what? People still choose to live their life the way they choose to... Also, Love is such a strong word. I know this because I say that alot. To each his own |
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Astrophel Fear will kill your mind and steal your love as sure as anything; Fear will rob you blind and make you numb to others suffering Since: 10-03-04 From: Azul Lux Orbital, Kirin Beta Since last post: 2479 days Last activity: 1330 days |
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Originally posted by Solid Sajin You just said they choose to because they choose to. That's not a valid answer. Not even close to one. That's the equivalent of saying the sky is blue because it is. |
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4556 days Last activity: 4550 days |
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Ok then, Ill say this.
Originally posted by You Because they choose to. Thats why. I dont have to explain myself because I dont know them. The only person I know is myself, and I believe that Gays or lesbians choose to because what they choose to be. Thats me, you can argue with me untill the cows come home, but thats my beliefs. Call me ignorant, but I'd like to challange anyone here on why I love women. Hmm? (Last edited by Solid Sajin on 07-06-06 03:09 AM) |
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Astrophel Fear will kill your mind and steal your love as sure as anything; Fear will rob you blind and make you numb to others suffering Since: 10-03-04 From: Azul Lux Orbital, Kirin Beta Since last post: 2479 days Last activity: 1330 days |
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Originally posted by Solid Sajin And again you say the exact same thing! Let's take a different example here. Grass. It's green. Now, what if someone asks why? "It's green because it's green." That's not a reason. That's simply repeating yourself. "It's green becasue of the chloroplasts in the cells." That's more of a reason, though it may be inaccurate (I never paid attention in Biology). Sajin, all I want is for you to admit ignorance on the subject. That is, in fact, the entire point of the initial question. When someone who believes people choose their sexuality is questioned about it in this way, I've noticed that they freqently find themselves unable to think of a valid response. Rather than admit ignorance, however, they try to cover up their lack of knowledge with either confusing, meaningless bullshit or resort to a looping argument of "it is because it is". I honestly thought and hoped you'd admit not knowing the first time so we wouldn't get to this point. |
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4556 days Last activity: 4550 days |
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wow.....
Originally posted by you Nah We can understand physics, how life works, how hot is the sun, and even how complicated things work. But we will never understand how humans work. Now like I said, you can argue with me untill the cows come home, but I believe everyone has a choice. But honestly, go ahead and think what im thihnking right now on my next post here seen how obviously you understand humans better than I do. Go ahead and tell me your responce on why Gays are they way they are. NOW! WAIT! Heres the cool part. Is that what you believe? You might as well ask us all "Why arent we all Gay or straight"? "Why cant we all think like Thexare Blademoon thinks or how Sajin thinks"? Heres my answer, because I choose to think things my way...I believe whatever I want to believe. And I dont tell others on how things should be thought, I only tell them my beliefs Now, If this discussion can be proven mathimaticially, and its in my general knowledge, then I would post here the correct answer. But seen how this is a debate, this is how Sajin thinks. There are no right or wrong answers, there are only beliefs... Edit- My quote was messed up Edit2- Sajin THinks Pertaining to his posts in the debate forum....I have a feeling people are going to start contridictating me or something 
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Astrophel Fear will kill your mind and steal your love as sure as anything; Fear will rob you blind and make you numb to others suffering Since: 10-03-04 From: Azul Lux Orbital, Kirin Beta Since last post: 2479 days Last activity: 1330 days |
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ignorance n : the lack of knowledge or education Emphasis added by me. And unlike you, I don't pretend to have a reason for why they're gay. I accept my ignorance on the subject - I do not know, and that doesn't bother me. |
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4556 days Last activity: 4550 days |
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| I dont pretend. I believe. Why cant you just understand and respect on my beliefs? I mean, Im not the one calling you ignorant because I dont know you. So why are you calling me ignorant? | |||
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Astrophel Fear will kill your mind and steal your love as sure as anything; Fear will rob you blind and make you numb to others suffering Since: 10-03-04 From: Azul Lux Orbital, Kirin Beta Since last post: 2479 days Last activity: 1330 days |
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Originally posted by Solid Sajin Hm, yes, I think I see the problem. You're misinterpreting the meaning of the term ignorant. You do not know. That is what it means in the way I am using it (hell, I even bolded that for you in my last post).You believe, but you do not know. Instead, you read it as me calling you stupid - admittedly, a common misconception. But ignorance is not entirely a bad thing; we all are missing some knowledge, some of us more than others, so we're all ignorant of some things. Now that we've clarified that, back tot he question I posed. Why do you believe what you do? I'm hoping for a thought-out post from you here. I don't want religion called into this, either - blind obedience, such as to a religion, is just as bad as blind disobedience, as either way you're depriving yourself of thought. I've explained my reason, Sajin, though it was in the context of a question. If you'd like, I can paraphrase and summarize it for you. |
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4556 days Last activity: 4550 days |
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| No one is gonna put religion in here, not me anyways.
But sure Ignorant can mean Lack of Knowledge, But then, go ahead and ask yourself this right now... Why are we.....debating if theres no right answer..... *Sajin claps happily in the background* |
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Astrophel Fear will kill your mind and steal your love as sure as anything; Fear will rob you blind and make you numb to others suffering Since: 10-03-04 From: Azul Lux Orbital, Kirin Beta Since last post: 2479 days Last activity: 1330 days |
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4556 days Last activity: 4550 days |
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| Well, rather you like it or not, I still say they choose to
And like I said numerious times, I dont have to explain myself, those are my beliefs, so Nyah, Get over it. Are you going to just sit there questioning everyone from henceforth onward? Questioning their beliefs on the subject when its just THEIR BELIEFS? Wow, Everyone, lets all think like Thexare Blademoon from now on and not like ourselves. I am done here. |
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Astrophel Fear will kill your mind and steal your love as sure as anything; Fear will rob you blind and make you numb to others suffering Since: 10-03-04 From: Azul Lux Orbital, Kirin Beta Since last post: 2479 days Last activity: 1330 days |
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| This is a debate forum, Sajin. People are expected to think. If you can't take that, then you shouldn't post here. | |||
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4556 days Last activity: 4550 days |
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Ok, Hold on One sec, Let me quote the forum description
Originally posted by Description I have posted my beliefs in my "open Mind". Now, if you cant take that, Then I dont think you should be moderator. |
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The Accidental Protege Iggy Koopa I\"m your accidental protege... The gift, the blood, the thrownaway...\" Since: 03-08-05 From: Marching on the city of Southern Cross Since last post: 1165 days Last activity: 1165 days |
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| Well, it's time to state my thoughts without reading any of the prior posts.
I believe homosexuality is a chemical imbalence with the hormones, and not something people choose to be. No one really wakes up and says "I think I'll be gay today". The Bible says it's wrong. Ooooh. So, just because some ancient book, written 2000 years ago and translated numerous times (many times with inaccuracies, no doubt) says it's wrong, then people should stop being gay? Doesn't sound very compassionate and accepting to me  |
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Astrophel Fear will kill your mind and steal your love as sure as anything; Fear will rob you blind and make you numb to others suffering Since: 10-03-04 From: Azul Lux Orbital, Kirin Beta Since last post: 2479 days Last activity: 1330 days |
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| I have an open mind when people are willing to back up their beliefs with some sort of reason.
I also quote, this time the forum name: Debate Shrine. Quote dictionary.com: A discussion involving opposing points; an argument. There will be argument, and you will be expected to back up your opinions. It's part of debate. Now, if you can't take that, I don't think you should be posting here. Take all further debate about this into PMs, Sajin. It doesn't belong in this thread, and now you're only questioning my position as moderator and evading the actual topic. (Last edited by Thexare Blademoon on 07-06-06 04:09 AM) |
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4556 days Last activity: 4550 days |
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Originally posted by Clockworkz ^^^^^^ See, now thats his opinion. Im not gonna stop him, question him, and get heated about "Ok, then why blah blah blah blah" Thats his beliefs..... thats the way he thinks. If you cant accept the way I think....Then boo hoo. Get over it Edit- And like I said, I dont have to explain, and I can post here If I damn well feel like it. Your the one with the problem, questioning me, and after I still gave you my answer ( Meaningless as it is to you and the rest of the board), I still dont have to tell you due to respect Oh? WHats this? Edit- Typos (Last edited by Solid Sajin on 07-06-06 04:12 AM) |
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Astrophel Fear will kill your mind and steal your love as sure as anything; Fear will rob you blind and make you numb to others suffering Since: 10-03-04 From: Azul Lux Orbital, Kirin Beta Since last post: 2479 days Last activity: 1330 days |
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Originally posted by Solid Sajin Oh, you think this is "let's all hold hands and dance and sing and never debate anything" Shrine? It's DEBATE Shrine. There will, as the name directly states, be debate. You know what debate involves, right? It involves discussion, not just people stating their beliefs and walking away. In discussion you will have to back up your points, otherwise there's nothing to discuss. Now. Any future complaints about my moderation should be taken out of this thread so we can stop derailing it. |
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4556 days Last activity: 4550 days |
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| This is so hilarious.
So after you ask me a question, and meanwhile me give you an answer, your still going to sit there and tell me that you dont understand my answer? Dude..... Even though Gays are ridiculed all the time, dosent stop them from being gay. Thats like saying "Why do kids go to school even tho some of the kids get picked on"? Because they choose to. If you can explain that in a better logic, then go ahead. But right now, Im just going to laugh at this lack of logic you obviously dont have about other people's beliefs. Some people are gay because they are born that way, some people are gay because they choose to be, and finally, some people are gay because they are forced into it. Now, lets....erm....summerize this. If they are born that way: THey have options in front of them. They can suddendly choose to be gay, or perhaps they will turn a new leaf and become straight because they want to try something new. Again, theres a choice there. They chose to stay Gay. Like how I choose to type this. I diddnt have to, but I choose to Because they choose to be: Nothing to really say here...But again, Choice Because they are forced into it: They have a choice ot be forced, or take actions in their own hands....Once again....Choice NOW! Are we still going to babble on about my beliefs on gay choices? Or are we just going to continue to argue over something so....stupid....Even when we as humans, dont even understand how the mind works... *Tsk Tsk Tsk* |
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Astrophel Fear will kill your mind and steal your love as sure as anything; Fear will rob you blind and make you numb to others suffering Since: 10-03-04 From: Azul Lux Orbital, Kirin Beta Since last post: 2479 days Last activity: 1330 days |
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Originally posted by Solid SajinNo, I'm telling you that it's not an answer. Saying that something is *adjective* because it is is NOT an answer. Here we go, something I can argue with. Going to school doesn't directly lead to the insults. You don't ever hear about people being picked on because they go to school, it's for other things. Maybe they wear glasses, maybe they have a weird voice, but it's never simply for going to school. So no, it's not like saying that. I THINK I smell an attempt at a personal attack. It got ruined, however, by your use of a double negative, which conveniently turned it into a compliment. Thanks for saying I have logic! again, a statement without a reason. But maybe you're going somewhere with this. Actually, if it's genetic - that is, they're born that way - they don't really have much of a choice. Still, being born that way is an explanation by itself, so other than that little detail I can't really argue. You again lack explanation here, Sajin. Why do you believe that some choose to be? you have a choice... to be forced... that makes no goddamn sense.
Arguing about beliefs is exactly what this forum is for, Sajin, so long as it is kept civilized. |
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